Goodbye, Maryland tennis

[ClarkC]

Originally Posted by dennis10is

That's right, without Title Nine, the school can just end all women's sports.

Bad enough that they are allowed to go to college, and take jobs away from men.

Bad enough that we let them vote, so that they voted in all these Liberals and ruined the country.

I kept waiting for you to say something facetious, because you usually do that. Did you hit the enter key prematurely to submit the post?

[ImAGrinch]

Originally Posted by snoopy

There's a lot of interesting reading on the current problems with higher education here:


http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=hi...ucation+bubble


The higher education system will soon undergo drastic change.

First thing they need to do is replace the PhD professors who make $200K and don't do crap with real teachers. That alone could allow for lower tuition rates.

[SoCal10s]

Maryland men's tennis team is full of foreigners ... recruit mainly from Romania ?? is that true?

[snoopy]

Originally Posted by ImAGrinch

First thing they need to do is replace the PhD professors who make $200K and don't do crap with real teachers. That alone could allow for lower tuition rates.

There are problems with professors, but the most bloat is found in university administration.


http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/06/...tors-will.html

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2...ts_can_be_made

[schap02]

Originally Posted by Clemson_tennis

I don't understand

attempt at dry humor Id imagine

[cmb]

Originally Posted by treeman10

Ya, it would be great, we could all be engineers with the same dream of going to Berkeley. Better yet, we could all become robots. Productivity and education is all that matters in life! No sports in college? Who wants to live such a vanilla dull existence? Soylent Green comes to mind.

Achieving academically is easy, we have a zillion 4.0 students a year and it isn't do much for us except overcrowding the schools. Now being a scholar and top tier athlete....that is amazing.

I see you are a Hall of Famer poster, interesting view on a tennis forum....you didn't play college tennis I assume?

I'm not sure about the other guy's playing history. But I was a D1 college player...I played in the lineup and received scholarship money at a top 10 ranked school. If you gave me a petition to sign to drop all of college athletics, I would sign it. In my experience, college tennis was a huge waste of money and time. Its not financially worth it for the school. IF they keep any sport it should be Football and Basketball in some places. Only because they generate revenue. Other then that, all sports should be dropped, academic instituions should be for academics only.

Just my opinion

[gavna]

Originally Posted by gully

^^^^
The article makes it pretty clear that the causes are many:

• lack of significant revenue from basketball and football
• lack of state support
• poor internal fundraising
• overall economic doldrums
• too many teams overall (3rd in conference)

To pick Title IX as the bogeywoman here, especially when both men's and women's teams are going to be cut unless they raise money, doesn't do the complexity of the situation justice. Without financial support -- from the state, the boosters, the revenue sports, the foundation -- it does seem very difficult for the institution to support nearly 30 non-revenue sports.

To be clear it's the way title IX is implemented and used is the problem...my daughter is at a D1 school in Maryland playing Lacrosse and choose that over tennis (she had offers for both) so I think title IX is needed and i love it. But the admins implement it in such a way it's usually the men's non rev teams that suffer.....all the reasons given above all lead back to football having 85 scholarships and if your team sucks and not bringing in $$$$ other sports suffer and the men's sports get to go first.

[gavna]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Bashing Title IX is usually done by males who lose to 10 year old girls

No how about someone who payed for and busted his *** for a D1 team for 4 yrs and coach at another only to see them both cut due to the way the schools admins deal with it. (both in Texas btw).

[Tennishacker]

Originally Posted by gavna

To be clear it's the way title IX is implemented and used is the problem...my daughter is at a D1 school in Maryland playing Lacrosse and choose that over tennis (she had offers for both) so I think title IX is needed and i love it. But the admins implement it in such a way it's usually the men's non rev teams that suffer.....all the reasons given above all lead back to football having 85 scholarships and if your team sucks and not bringing in $$$$ other sports suffer and the men's sports get to go first.

Someone explain to me why football needs 85 scholarships?

[gavna]

Originally Posted by Tennishacker

Someone explain to me why football needs 85 scholarships?

Coaches will say they need to be 3 to 4 deep at every position - coaches need to have the ability to stock bodies and lock in the future players.

[mmk]

Originally Posted by gavna

To be clear it's the way title IX is implemented and used is the problem...my daughter is at a D1 school in Maryland playing Lacrosse and choose that over tennis (she had offers for both) so I think title IX is needed and i love it. But the admins implement it in such a way it's usually the men's non rev teams that suffer.....all the reasons given above all lead back to football having 85 scholarships and if your team sucks and not bringing in $$$$ other sports suffer and the men's sports get to go first.

Not too many schools actually make money on the so-called revenue sports:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...rograms_m.html

By the way, pretty impressive for someone from Texas making a lacrosse roster on a D1 team in Maryland, considering the lax talent pool here (I'm in Maryland).

[The Wreck]

Originally Posted by gavna

To be clear it's the way title IX is implemented and used is the problem...my daughter is at a D1 school in Maryland playing Lacrosse and choose that over tennis (she had offers for both) so I think title IX is needed and i love it. But the admins implement it in such a way it's usually the men's non rev teams that suffer.....all the reasons given above all lead back to football having 85 scholarships and if your team sucks and not bringing in $$$$ other sports suffer and the men's sports get to go first.

Originally Posted by Tennishacker

Someone explain to me why football needs 85 scholarships?

The problem with Title IX is that they require an equal number of scholarship to be given to both men and women. There are more male athletes at almost every school, so it's not really fair.

Yeah, football getting 85 full scholarships seems ridiculous, but it is the only sport (outside of certain basketball schools) that actually generates revenue. So in that respect, they deserve it.

But those 85 scholarships severely throw off the balance between men's and women's scholarships. So in most every other sport, women get full scholarships and guys can only get half.

It still makes no sense to me why they'd cut men's tennis and not both programs.

[gavna]

Originally Posted by mmk

Not too many schools actually make money on the so-called revenue sports:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...rograms_m.html

By the way, pretty impressive for someone from Texas making a lacrosse roster on a D1 team in Maryland, considering the lax talent pool here (I'm in Maryland).

Yep. Only two I know of one at Mount and one at Towson....we wanted her to take the offers she had at Denver, Standord or Cal but she just HAD to go to Maryland. Her other teammate signed with Stanford - we have 3 solid girls programs in Texas: Cypress, St Johns and Hockaday - all have put kids who are starting at Stanford, Mount, William & Mary, Duke, Northwestern, Towson. The ***** is flying up for every freaking game.....what we do for our kids.

[gavna]

Originally Posted by mmk

Not too many schools actually make money on the so-called revenue sports:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...rograms_m.html

thats exactly the problem, most schools do lose money with football but they still must fund it and that's when the non revenue sports suffer and the sad part the men's teams take he first hits due to the way Title IX is implemented. In the end it all does come back to the title IX mandate as if the school has a strong football program that makes it to BCS bowls or have their own TV deals then funding sports not an issue, the moment football suffering then sports start getting cut as football costs a huge amount to run. I was involved at North Texas when they gutted most all the men's teams a few years back and with the tiny sports budget and football and basketball leaking money we couldn't cut any women's teams and dropped Tennis, baseball, Soccer, swimming and Diving.....all of the men's programs. UH did same thing.....

[ClarkC]

Originally Posted by mmk

Not too many schools actually make money on the so-called revenue sports:

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...rograms_m.html

By the way, pretty impressive for someone from Texas making a lacrosse roster on a D1 team in Maryland, considering the lax talent pool here (I'm in Maryland).

The link you provided does not say what you claim. Read more closely.

[gavna]

Well the report states that out of 126 D1 programs 63 reported and of that only 22 turned a profit.....yes the spin was in 2009 only 14 were in the black. That's still pretty freaking bleak.....that opening paragraph is a joke.

[zapvor]

this is really sad. i was in the augural class of UMD club tennis. if only i had the money

[mmk]

Originally Posted by gavna

Yep. Only two I know of one at Mount and one at Towson....we wanted her to take the offers she had at Denver, Standord or Cal but she just HAD to go to Maryland. Her other teammate signed with Stanford - we have 3 solid girls programs in Texas: Cypress, St Johns and Hockaday - all have put kids who are starting at Stanford, Mount, William & Mary, Duke, Northwestern, Towson. The ***** is flying up for every freaking game.....what we do for our kids.

My youngest just finished her field hockey career at an engineering school in Cambridge, Mass. I'll miss most of her final season of lax as I'll be in Oz. We didn't make every game this fall, but did make all her playoffs through to the elite 8. When she graduates not only won't I be shelling out ~$50K/year, I won't have to spend thousands on going up to watch her play.

[darrinbaker00]

Originally Posted by Fearsome Forehand

More like, thank you Women's La Crosse.

I'm pretty upset that Women's Water Polo got the axe. Some of these programs are sort of ridiculous.

These teams should go find sponsors.

So, how are 25 year old former satellite pro Europeans and South Americans supposed to get tennis scholarships paid for by Maryland residents now? This is an outrage !!!

The only two revenue generating sports in major colleges are men's football and basketball. Every other sport is a net drain.

Tell that to Pat Summitt, Geno Auriemma and Tara VanDerveer.

[Jonny S&V]

Originally Posted by treeman10

Ya, it would be great, we could all be engineers with the same dream of going to Berkeley. Better yet, we could all become robots. Productivity and education is all that matters in life! No sports in college? Who wants to live such a vanilla dull existence? Soylent Green comes to mind.

Achieving academically is easy, we have a zillion 4.0 students a year and it isn't do much for us except overcrowding the schools. Now being a scholar and top tier athlete....that is amazing.

I see you are a Hall of Famer poster, interesting view on a tennis forum....you didn't play college tennis I assume?

I don't even know where to start...

I am a current DII collegiate athlete, and I don't get any scholarship. My college currently cut all scholarships for men's tennis, baseball, swimming, and wrestling, and completely cut our girl's golf team.

That being said, I go to said college for free because of my academics. Even if I could get a scholarship on my team, I wouldn't need it. I feel like some sports don't need scholarships, and that academics should be placed on a higher place. I've seen too many athletes who get accepted to schools because of their skills, not because of their academics.

Let's face it, 99% of athletes who play collegiate sports DON'T go on to play professionals. I think that ALL divisions should adopt DIII's rules on athletics and eliminate athletic scholarships completely.

Oh, and saying that schools have a zillion 4.0 GPA students at my school doesn't cut it, the number of perfect GPA holding students at my school is most likely less than 5%.