Chopin's New Poll: Venus Williams v.s. Laver - Page 9

Rabbit · 09-11-2009, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FiveO

Agreed on the phrasing but the thought process and content reminded me of this:

Maybe I'm off base here but both "stories" do elicit the same reaction from me.

I also couldn't help but wonder if the need to relate each story was driven by this or something similar:

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I see your point and concur.

helloworld · 09-11-2009, 11:38 AM

Venus will win 6-4 6-4. Are you satisfied now?

Hypatia · 09-11-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rabbit

Problem is, when Navratilova in her prime said she could beat the #100 man in the world and Vitas called her on it, she waffled. She then said if she played the #100 man on grass she could beat him and Vitas bet not only his house, but a Rolls on it. The game never was played for obvious reasons.

I seem to remember he bet her two houses she couldn’t beat Harold Solomon. Chris Evert, or Evert Lloyd back then, said that Martina would lose to the 1,000th ranked guy, never mind #100.

hoodjem · 09-12-2009, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by krosero

He certainly does. You're the last person I need to tell, but fans and media alike think that today's game is the best there ever was.

Most, not all. I've had the pleasure on this board of meeting thoughtful fans (and I'm not just talking about the "TW Historians").

The tennis establishment these days is seriously worried about the declining numbers of fans and interest.

So what are they doing? Everything they can to hype and promote the game. The Fed is GOAT thing is just one prong of their hype, another is the Fed-Nadal Rivalry is the greatest rivalry ever campaign.

It's all part of the "Don't You Want to Be Part of History--Then Watch Tennis? (and all the commercials of our sponsors) Campaign.

Tennis broadcasting revenues were dropping pretty dramatically compared to the later 1970s-early 1980s, because viewership numbers are down. And remember, ad revenues are based on viwership numbers. Very simple.

Chopin · 09-12-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

The tennis establishment these days is seriously worried about the declining numbers of fans and interest.

So what are they doing? Everything they can to hype and promote the game. The Fed is GOAT thing is just one prong of their hype, another is the Fed-Nadal Rivalry is the greatest rivalry ever campaign.

It's all part of the "Don't You Want to Be Part of History--Then Watch Tennis? (and all the commercials of our sponsors) Campaign.

Tennis broadcasting revenues were dropping pretty dramatically compared to the later 1970s-early 1980s, because viewership numbers are down. And remember, ad revenues are based on viwership numbers. Very simple.

Maybe in the United States. Tennis is exploding internationally. It's very, very popular. Look at where players are coming from--all around the globe--even the war torn FSU states.

I agree that certain commentators like to hype the game, but ultimately it's a pretty blanket statement to assume that all the legends of the game (who are quite well off anyways and guaranteed jobs as commentators) would say that Federer is GOAT if they didn't believe it.

No, the only way you can explain the Federer GOAT argument, by and large, is based on Federer's historic and unrivaled accomplishments.

I mean, come on, the guy is on the verge of winning his 16th major and holds a plethora of records.

hoodjem · 12-03-2011, 06:59 AM

Resurrected, as example.

hcb0804 · 12-03-2011, 07:05 AM

Laver easily beats Venus
Laver was a smart player; Venus..........no

Laver would be just like Ashe said about McEnroe:

"A little nick here, a little cut there, and before you know it, you've bled to death."

Venus would have definitely been nicked and cut to death by Laver, the original slicer and dicer.

Mick · 12-03-2011, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hcb0804

Laver easily beats Venus
Laver was a smart player; Venus..........no

Laver would be just like Ashe said about McEnroe:

"A little nick here, a little cut there, and before you know it, you've bled to death."

Venus would have definitely been nicked and cut to death by Laver, the original slicer and dicer.

you didn't read the handicaps. I would say Venus would win under these conditions.

>>Venus Williams is being given a significant handicap in this match. She's allowed to use a graphite racquet and any modern strings, while Laver is forced to use wood. In addition, she's able to use the doubles alleys, while Laver is not. Also, she is given a 15-0 advantage in every service game, and a 30-0 advantage in every return game. The surface is hard courts.

Who wins?<<

Limpinhitter · 12-03-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hcb0804

Laver easily beats Venus
Laver was a smart player; Venus..........no

Laver would be just like Ashe said about McEnroe:

"A little nick here, a little cut there, and before you know it, you've bled to death."

Venus would have definitely been nicked and cut to death by Laver, the original slicer and dicer.

Actually, I think Laver would blast Venus off of the court!

Limpinhitter · 12-03-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mick

you didn't read the handicaps. I would say Venus would win under these conditions.

>>Venus Williams is being given a significant handicap in this match. She's allowed to use a graphite racquet and any modern strings, while Laver is forced to use wood. In addition, she's able to use the doubles alleys, while Laver is not. Also, she is given a 15-0 advantage in every service game, and a 30-0 advantage in every return game. The surface is hard courts.

Who wins?<<

Oh, well, under those conditions, Laver still wins 1-1, maybe 2-2.

Chopin · 12-03-2011, 11:16 AM

Excellent to see my threads getting more interest. Post on, gentlemen!

Benhur · 12-03-2011, 11:42 AM

Those handicaps are ridiculous. Doubles alleys + graphite vs wood + 15-0 headstart on serve + 0-30 headstart on return????

The doubles alleys handicap I saw between Kathy Horvath and Vince van Patten in the early 80s was won by Horvath (she was in the top 10 and Van Patten in the top 30, I think). The full doubles alleys advantage proved huge once Horvath began to exploit it. (Van Patten also had only one serve).

Joe Pike · 12-03-2011, 12:14 PM

Chopin - dumb as ever ...

Chopin · 12-03-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Pike

Chopin - dumb as ever ...

There, there, Joe.

Joe Pike · 12-03-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopin

There, there, Joe.

" ... she's able to use the doubles alleys, while Laver is not. Also, she is given a 15-0 advantage in every service game, and a 30-0 advantage in every return game ..."

Say, can it get any dumber?
Right.
It can't.

Chopin · 12-03-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Pike

" ... she's able to use the doubles alleys, while Laver is not. Also, she is given a 15-0 advantage in every service game, and a 30-0 advantage in every return game ..."

Say, can it get any dumber?
Right.
It can't.

Dumber? We'd have to go to one of your Graf as "bombshell" threads. Oh, wait, they always crash, burn and get deleted!

In the words of one former Talk Tennis poster, "ROFL."

Chopin · 12-03-2011, 07:08 PM

This thread proves that certain posters will stop at nothing for their fix of Chopin. Boys, I don't care much about Laver at the moment (though note that he's losing this poll) as other triumphs have occurred in recent days.

OK, boys, I'm off.

Limpinhitter · 12-03-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopin

This thread proves that certain posters will stop at nothing for their fix of Chopin. Boys, I don't care much about Laver at the moment (though note that he's losing this poll) as other triumphs have occurred in recent days.

OK, boys, I'm off.

Chopin is the crack of TT! Wait, what? Let's try again. The opium of TT!

THUNDERVOLLEY · 12-04-2011, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopin

Dumber? We'd have to go to one of your Graf as "bombshell" threads. Oh, wait, they always crash, burn and get deleted!

That much is true.

Joe Pike · 12-04-2011, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopin

Dumber? We'd have to go to one of your Graf as "bombshell" threads. ...

I have never called Graf a "bombshell", dummy.
Maybe some news ABOUT Graf, but not Graf herself.

But as we are at it - why not tell us more about why Steffi Graf never won the grand slam in you twisted parallel universe ... ?

View Poll Results: Venus v.s. Laver (Please read handicaps before voting)
Venus	35	51.47%
Laver	33	48.53%
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12-03-2011, 07:08 PM	#177
Chopin Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: St. John, USVI Posts: 3,685	This thread proves that certain posters will stop at nothing for their fix of Chopin. Boys, I don't care much about Laver at the moment (though note that he's losing this poll) as other triumphs have occurred in recent days. OK, boys, I'm off. __________________ New Poll: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=463382 Last edited by Chopin : 12-03-2011 at 07:11 PM.

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