Spider Drill speed

[maggmaster]

Tennis is a game that, taken as a whole, is a system far too complicated to truly improve measurably. You break it down into drills and mini games so that you can see improvement in areas. Then these improved areas, if the drills are properly designed, positively influence the system. The same is true for metrics in business.

[chalkflewup]

Reading fast is a skill that's hard to measure but just as important as that first step and recovery step. Some players aren't as fast as others but they see the ball early and anticipate exceptionally well. Bird, Gretzky, Connors all saw the ball/puck early but none were known for their speed.

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by maggmaster

Tennis is a game that, taken as a whole, is a system far too complicated to truly improve measurably. You break it down into drills and mini games so that you can see improvement in areas. Then these improved areas, if the drills are properly designed, positively influence the system. The same is true for metrics in business.

Sometimes metrics don't work in business. It is done on gut feeling. Like the late Steve Jobs decided that a tablet with a stylus will not sell and ordered a touch screen version. He had no data - just a hunch.

That is why large companies using metrics can be upended by a start-up which takes a risk with no metrics.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

I agree in general, but the flip side is motivation. Athletes like to compete against themselves (ie, the clock) as a measure of improvement. As a former track athlete, we tracked times and distances as a gauge of progress - in addition to competing against others, of course.

I time my kids doing drills and races just for the fun of it - they love it and don't want to stop. They want to see if they can keep beating their time. It's something fun to focus on in a competitive way.

I completely agree that using it to weed out at young ages isn't good. I've seen kids change dramatically in physical ability in just a few years.

If you don't mind when did you compete , what events? Have ever competed at the olympic level or just collegiate?

[slice bh compliment]

My 7 yr old did it in 23.5 and 2.33 seconds. My nine yr old got a 23.0 and a 21.3.
We got an actual spider to do it, too. It took a lot of guidance but our spider completed the spider in 1 hr, 23m and 44 seconds. Basically, getting a spider to do the spider is a total hassle. I mean, his mom thanked us for the workout, but, really this sort of running is not practical for what they do on a day-to-day basis. At least that's my conclusion.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

If you don't mind when did you compete , what events? Have ever competed at the olympic level or just collegiate?

College level in the 90's - 110HH, Long Jump. Although it was "just collegiate", it made for some of the best memories of my youth. Also played some college basketball while getting an education that has served me well.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

College level in the 90's - 110HH, Long Jump. Although it was "just collegiate", it made for some of the best memories of my youth. Also played some college basketball while getting an education that has served me well.

Did you know a runner by the name of Ray Brown , if so was he good ? Know what college he ran at ?

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Did you know a runner by the name of Ray Brown , if so was he good ? Know what college he ran at ?

Hmm... not much info to go on. My older brother ran against a middle distance (800m) runner named Ray Brown from University of Virginia in the late 80's. If that's the guy you're asking about, he was really good - top D1 quality, ran in some international competitions, ran in the 1988 Olympic Trials. Certainly a world-class level runner.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Hmm... not much info to go on. My older brother ran against a middle distance (800m) runner named Ray Brown from University of Virginia in the late 80's. If that's the guy you're asking about, he was really good - top D1 quality, ran in some international competitions, ran in the 1988 Olympic Trials. Certainly a world-class level runner.

Maybe the same guy , know he ran the 100m not sure what else, this guy did run O trials ,at 44 he still can move , classy guy , works with DB every so often to clean up his technique.

[gregor.b]

Originally Posted by TennisCoachFLA

I will try to get some times at practice later. We can compile a decent list on this thread I would think.

A video for those who need it.

http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-do-...Drill-27820989

Wow,that looks way easier than the one our coach has us do. We use four balls,four rackets and half the baseline and the service line. One ball at a time to the next racket until the balls are back at the start. It is a drill Pat Rafter used to use and we got it from a mate who used to train with him. It hurts like hell. Will try to get a video up in the next week or so.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Maybe the same guy , know he ran the 100m not sure what else, this guy did run O trials ,at 44 he still can move , classy guy , works with DB every so often to clean up his technique.

The guy I know of went to UVA from '81-'84, which would make him older than 44. Also, rarely do you see runners at that level compete in 100m and 800m. Probably not your guy.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

The guy I know of went to UVA from '81-'84, which would make him older than 44. Also, rarely do you see runners at that level compete in 100m and 800m. Probably not your guy.

Let me verify his age , I thought he said 44 I may have got that wrong , as for competing , you misunderstood , he ran a few times demonstrating what needed to be done ,trust me No stop watch needed this guy is still extremely quick.

Watching him from the side his strides look like a horses , also his head was as still as a models on a walkway while at full speed .

The focus has been on the driving for the 1st 12-15 meters , with the arms doing the work with very little upper body movement , I never realized how much technique was involved in running.

[BMC9670]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Let me verify his age , I thought he said 44 I may have got that wrong , as for competing , you misunderstood , he ran a few times demonstrating what needed to be done ,trust me No stop watch needed this guy is still extremely quick.

Watching him from the side his strides look like a horses , also his head was as still as a models on a walkway while at full speed .

The focus has been on the driving for the 1st 12-15 meters , with the arms doing the work with very little upper body movement , I never realized how much technique was involved in running.

Yes. Top runners have refined technique as well on top of a ton of natural ability - mostly having to do with keeping everything in a straight line (ie - no wasted movement) and staying relaxed. The kinetic chain is also involved - the mechanics of stride and use of the arms, etc.

You're right about being quick. A modern world-class 800m is considered a long sprint. These guys are fast and running 8 consecutive 13 second 100s to cover 800m. They can certainly run a single 100 somewhere in the mid to high 10 seconds. Even at his older age, if this guy is still in shape, he probably makes running look effortless.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by BMC9670

Yes. Top runners have refined technique as well on top of a ton of natural ability - mostly having to do with keeping everything in a straight line (ie - no wasted movement) and staying relaxed. The kinetic chain is also involved - the mechanics of stride and use of the arms, etc.

You're right about being quick. A modern world-class 800m is considered a long sprint. These guys are fast and running 8 consecutive 13 second 100s to cover 800m. They can certainly run a single 100 somewhere in the mid to high 10 seconds. Even at his older age, if this guy is still in shape, he probably makes running look effortless.

He works for a shipping company now and stays active , off a very nice stop watch ran and unofficial 4.3 , incredible even if I was off a bit .

[TennisCoachFLA]

By the way, we are actually having lots of fun with this now in practice. The kids are very competitive with the drill now that we track the times and ask to do it, the parents get a kick out of it too. We had a 7 year old put up a 21.85 today which is pretty amazing for that age!

[raging]

Originally Posted by Ash_Smith

How about 28.9 seconds...

In a wheelchair...

bouncing a basketball...

no..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjV1yg8L3a8

Cheers

Ash, that guy is awesome!
I went on & looked at him playing wheelchair tennis(Bejing Gold Medallist) & will use his videos to motivate my coaching kids on the spider drill & more.
Inspirational.

[Ash_Smith]

^^^Yeah, Shingo is pretty crash hot! Some of the guys and girls who have grown up in wheelchairs have incredible movement patterns. Shingo has had to learn chair skills later in life, still very impressive!

Cheers

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