Mikeler's Multis

[retrograde]

Originally Posted by Hooked

There's actually some really good research and science behind this now that there are cameras quick enough to actually show what the human eye can't see.

The best high-speed video I've seen of strings snapping is this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...f-tennis/8339/

Starts 3:45 into the video.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by retrograde

The best high-speed video I've seen of strings snapping is this:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...f-tennis/8339/

Starts 3:45 into the video.

The multi I get the most spin from is Head RIP Control. For polys, it is Black 5 Edge mains. Neither move very much. Just saying...

[retrograde]

Originally Posted by mikeler

The multi I get the most spin from is Head RIP Control. For polys, it is Black 5 Edge mains. Neither move very much. Just saying...

At 62 lbs, RIP 17 usually looks like a nice grid on my PK7g. Which I hope means they don't move very much between hits, but move a lot during the hit. Then again, I hit a flatter ball.

[mikeler]

I'm a topspin monkey and a bad ball watcher. All the strings move for me.

[retrograde]

^^^

I've only played on har-tru once but I imagine spin-monkeys thrive on that surface

BTW, just found this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...highlight=ki5x

Had no idea so many others were using the 7g. I think I'm the only person in my city who even owns a PK stick.

[slopoke]

Originally Posted by mikeler

The multi I get the most spin from is Head RIP Control. For polys, it is Black 5 Edge mains. Neither move very much. Just saying...

How about mains of BE5 and crosses of Rip Control? Have you tried that mix?

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by retrograde

^^^

I've only played on har-tru once but I imagine spin-monkeys thrive on that surface

BTW, just found this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...highlight=ki5x

Had no idea so many others were using the 7g. I think I'm the only person in my city who even owns a PK stick.

I'm a fan of har-tru for sure. One other guy at my club uses the 7G but that is because I recommended it to him after he got some TE.

Originally Posted by slopoke

How about mains of BE5 and crosses of Rip Control? Have you tried that mix?

Think I'm done with RIP Control.

[mikeler]

Strung up Prince Premiere Attack 16 last night. It was very easy to string up with the exception of the coil memory. A light prestretch would have taken care of that easily but I don't want to prestretch any multis I test so that there are less variables changed between playtests. Really nice feel bouncing the ball off the strings. Think this one has real potential.

[Ramon]

Originally Posted by mikeler

Strung up Prince Premiere Attack 16 last night. It was very easy to string up with the exception of the coil memory. A light prestretch would have taken care of that easily but I don't want to prestretch any multis I test so that there are less variables changed between playtests. Really nice feel bouncing the ball off the strings. Think this one has real potential.

Watch the tension on PPA. I haven't played with it yet, but it does lose tension over time, even after the first 48 hours. I've seen worse tension loss (ie. Fibergel Spin) so it's nothing unusual.

I'm starting to think that if a string is "lively" it just means it loses lots of tension before you even play with it. LOL

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by Ramon

Watch the tension on PPA. I haven't played with it yet, but it does lose tension over time, even after the first 48 hours. I've seen worse tension loss (ie. Fibergel Spin) so it's nothing unusual.

I'm starting to think that if a string is "lively" it just means it loses lots of tension before you even play with it. LOL

According to Prince: "Using Tri-Core construction, Premier Attack offers excellent tension maintenance for increased sustainability. The multi-filament outer wraps provide a resilient, arm friendly response with good access to power."

So that Tri-Core construction should reduce losses. RacquetTune shows a 4% tension loss overnight. I'm guessing it will be in the 8-10% range by tonight.

[Ramon]

Originally Posted by mikeler

According to Prince: "Using Tri-Core construction, Premier Attack offers excellent tension maintenance for increased sustainability. The multi-filament outer wraps provide a resilient, arm friendly response with good access to power."

So that Tri-Core construction should reduce losses. RacquetTune shows a 4% tension loss overnight. I'm guessing it will be in the 8-10% range by tonight.

That's not too bad. It's tough for me to judge since I don't have a stringer so I can't take a fresh reading. I did measure it one hour after stringing and it was 50.8 even though I requested 58. After that the drop was consistent with your observation. Maybe the string factor for density throws off the reading on this one.

[Hooked]

Originally Posted by mikeler

The multi I get the most spin from is Head RIP Control. For polys, it is Black 5 Edge mains. Neither move very much. Just saying...

They're moving - you just don't see it because they move back after the ball comes off of them. On extremely heavy topspin shots you may be able to feel the strings move.

I can't do it every time but when I get a sitter at a good height in my strike zone and really lay into it I feel the ball pulling down on the mains for a brief instant while I swing up and through it. I can do it much more easily with larger head frames but on my 85-93 inchers I sometimes catch the edge of the frame on the ball as it exits spoiling the party.

I'm all for subjective reviews of strings and I enjoy reading this thread but I also think it is important to be respectful of the intense scientific research that has been done on string movement and spin and the physics of tennis in general. It is shattering many commonly held beliefs and also confirming some of what players have learned through their own playing experiences.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by mikeler

According to Prince: "Using Tri-Core construction, Premier Attack offers excellent tension maintenance for increased sustainability. The multi-filament outer wraps provide a resilient, arm friendly response with good access to power."

So that Tri-Core construction should reduce losses. RacquetTune shows a 4% tension loss overnight. I'm guessing it will be in the 8-10% range by tonight.

While stringing, does PPA feel and string-up in any way like Premier LT or Softflex?

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by Ramon

That's not too bad. It's tough for me to judge since I don't have a stringer so I can't take a fresh reading. I did measure it one hour after stringing and it was 50.8 even though I requested 58. After that the drop was consistent with your observation. Maybe the string factor for density throws off the reading on this one.

When I measured natural gut strung at 60 pounds a day or two later, it read 51.5. So I think something was messed up with the string factor there. Another interesting side note is that I calibrate my crank so that after the string relaxes it reads 60 pounds. I typically let it pull for a few seconds and I'm not quite allowing the string to fully relax I suppose so most jobs are coming off the stringer between 61 and 62.

Originally Posted by Hooked

They're moving - you just don't see it because they move back after the ball comes off of them. On extremely heavy topspin shots you may be able to feel the strings move.

I can't do it every time but when I get a sitter at a good height in my strike zone and really lay into it I feel the ball pulling down on the mains for a brief instant while I swing up and through it. I can do it much more easily with larger head frames but on my 85-93 inchers I sometimes catch the edge of the frame on the ball as it exits spoiling the party.

I'm all for subjective reviews of strings and I enjoy reading this thread but I also think it is important to be respectful of the intense scientific research that has been done on string movement and spin and the physics of tennis in general. It is shattering many commonly held beliefs and also confirming some of what players have learned through their own playing experiences.

I'm an engineer so I appreciate the science aspect of the game. I've not paid close attention to many of the scientific discussions on TTW aside from RSI stiffness ratings. At the end of the day, I don't really care what the numbers say but how I play with a setup.

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

While stringing, does PPA feel and string-up in any way like Premier LT or Softflex?

Never used Softflex, but PPA was very strange. It had that gluey smell which the regular Premiere did not. The surface of the string had some slight texture to it but the crosses were a breeze. Prince Premiere had a rough surface. Had it not been for the coil memory, this would have been one of the easiest to string up ever. Just a joy to work with.

[Ronaldo]

Strung Prince Premier LT last Saturday. It is so soft and piable, only Gosen Anna Kournikova Speed and Babolat VS Team feel better. Weavability Supreme.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Strung Prince Premier LT last Saturday. It is so soft and piable, only Gosen Anna Kournikova Speed and Babolat VS Team feel better. Weavability Supreme.

Hmm, wonder if they changed the formula. I remember that being a rough textured string when I used it.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by mikeler

Hmm, wonder if they changed the formula. I remember that being a rough textured string when I used it.

Definitely not like Gamma Ruff or Tour Bite and need finger cots.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Definitely not like Gamma Ruff or Tour Bite and need finger cots.

I just went back and looked at my review and only wrote about some friction burn on crosses. The one negative with that string for me is it seemed to deteriorate in performance over time. Less spin, less pop, just less gravitas all around.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by mikeler

I just went back and looked at my review and only wrote about some friction burn on crosses. The one negative with that string for me is it seemed to deteriorate in performance over time. Less spin, less pop, just less gravitas all around.

Hope not, felt great Sunday, Tues, and Wed. Find out if the bloom is off the LT tonite.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Hope not, felt great Sunday, Tues, and Wed. Find out if the bloom is off the LT tonite.

It did not turn springy like X1. Just lost that excellent feel and spin it had the first two times I played with it.