Wrestling Discussion Thread

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

I lovvvve Kharma and can't wait till she's back full time. God knows the Diva's division needs SERIOUS help.

Bout time she is back. Yes I know she was expecting but the diva division needs her badly. Beth Phoenix can't carry the division talent wise on her own.

Also, I find it hilarious that Michelle McCool and Maryse..neither of whom were that talented, ran away once Kharma came along in the company...probably didn't want her stomping them in about 4 seconds flat in matches.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by boredone3456

Bout time she is back. Yes I know she was expecting but the diva division needs her badly. Beth Phoenix can't carry the division talent wise on her own.

Also, I find it hilarious that Michelle McCool and Maryse..neither of whom were that talented, ran away once Kharma came along in the company...probably didn't want her stomping them in about 4 seconds flat in matches.

McCool is married to the undertaker and they wanted to start a family is the story I heard so she walked away for the time being.

No idea on Maryse.

The divas suck 100% because of Laurantis. he got away from women that could wrestle and started hiring failed models to get in there. None have panned out for them. The few that could wrestle are now either in TNA or retired. He chased them off because they didnt have that look they wanted. Never mind they could wrestle at the same level as most of their men but they were not 5'10" and blonde.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by maverick66

McCool is married to the undertaker and they wanted to start a family is the story I heard so she walked away for the time being.

No idea on Maryse.

The divas suck 100% because of Laurantis. he got away from women that could wrestle and started hiring failed models to get in there. None have panned out for them. The few that could wrestle are now either in TNA or retired. He chased them off because they didnt have that look they wanted. Never mind they could wrestle at the same level as most of their men but they were not 5'10" and blonde.

Maryse was injured and decided to retire/be Miz's arm candy rather than step back in the ring.

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her *** off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her *** off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

Nattie is a joke now. the whole she farts thing is gonna bury her as a legit wrestler. I dont know who thought that was a good idea but its not. Plus she had a decent angle with the make the models cry thing, why kill that?

Beth has nobody to work with at all. If she did you would see the talent she has. Maybe with karma you will get that but as of now she is just coasting because her best cant be matched and it takes two to look good.

the rest of the divas are forgettable at best. I agree makes me want Ivory, Lita, victoria, Mickie, and Trish back. actually wrestlers that worked hard at their craft. I would even take a Debra who could heel manage over these girls.

which makes me think whatever happened to managers. they have about 1 right now with Vickie and she put dolph over really well. Also Swagger is having a mini run after they half buried him when he lost the title. They need more managers for guys that can perform but have limited mic skills.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by maverick66

Nattie is a joke now. the whole she farts thing is gonna bury her as a legit wrestler. I dont know who thought that was a good idea but its not. Plus she had a decent angle with the make the models cry thing, why kill that?

Beth has nobody to work with at all. If she did you would see the talent she has. Maybe with karma you will get that but as of now she is just coasting because her best cant be matched and it takes two to look good.

the rest of the divas are forgettable at best. I agree makes me want Ivory, Lita, victoria, Mickie, and Trish back. actually wrestlers that worked hard at their craft. I would even take a Debra who could heel manage over these girls.

which makes me think whatever happened to managers. they have about 1 right now with Vickie and she put dolph over really well. Also Swagger is having a mini run after they half buried him when he lost the title. They need more managers for guys that can perform but have limited mic skills.

Don't forget about my favorite mamacita Rosa w/ the Colons.

[Ronaldo]

Kharma was Awesome Kong in TNA Impact. Is the Women's division better there?

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Maryse was injured and decided to retire/be Miz's arm candy rather than step back in the ring.

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her *** off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

Maryse I thought left to pursue a career in modeling. I honestly liked her character, but it was painfully obvious she was seriously limited as a wrestler. She couldn't even hold her own against McCool really convincingly and needed dumb gimmicks to get any kind of upper hand on Melina. The girl was insanely gorgeous, and knew how to play the bad girl role...but she seriously couldn't wrestle. I don't find it at all surprising that she left when Kharma showed up, because there was no way she could convincingly wrestle against her.

As for McCool, she was not great either. Slow, uncoordinated and only looked good because she was paired with Layla (who is way more talented). She got the push she got because of her marriage to Undertaker, and because Mickie James got canned and Phoenix got injured and Smackdown had no one else. She didn't deserve all the attention she got, although she certainly took great advantage of what was given to her. She however was an amazing heel character, and knew how to work a mike, even if she wasn't the best wrestler.

Then the WWE let go of 2 actually talented girls, well 3. They canned Mickie (dumb decision) then let Melina and Gail Kim go. I think Melina rushed back from her ACL surgury to quickly and was never the same, but she did it because she was pressured to by the company, then after she worked her tail off to get back she got released? um not cool. She was one of their top divas. Gail is insanely talented, the WWE just didn't want to recognize it. Kharma is in my opinion the best female wrestler out their today, and I hope the WWE lets her show it, although the only one they have that can give her a good match is Phoenix.

[boredone3456]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Kharma was Awesome Kong in TNA Impact. Is the Women's division better there?

The womens division in TNA could destroy the Diva division with the exception of Kong and Phoenix hoping on one foot with their hands tied behind their backs, so yes it is way better...but then again they are all WWE rejects: Gail Kim, Winter(Katie Lea), Angelina Love (though she never made the main roster), Mickie James and Tara (Victoria) are all former WWE divas. WWE chased them out and TNA is all the better for it. Only Velvet Sky never worked for WWE, or Sarita. Velvet Sky is the bottom of their barrel and she is better then 80% of the WWE diva division

[jamesblakefan#1]

What did you all think about the Jericho/Punk interactions last night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zWV-Fnjv4

Personally I agree w/ Jericho. Punk has grown stale to me, his pipebombs lost their luster once he resorted to tired jokes about HHH banging the boss' daughter. But I'm a huge Y2J fan, always have been. So take my word with a grain of salt.

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

Maryse was injured and decided to retire/be Miz's arm candy rather than step back in the ring.

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her *** off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

Can I get an amen? I miss Victoria, Jacqueline and Jazz especially. The Jazz/Trish matches and first Victoria/Trish fued were amazing!!

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

What did you all think about the Jericho/Punk interactions last night?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4zWV-Fnjv4

Personally I agree w/ Jericho. Punk has grown stale to me, his pipebombs lost their luster once he resorted to tired jokes about HHH banging the boss' daughter. But I'm a huge Y2J fan, always have been. So take my word with a grain of salt.

Its not punks fault. They killed almost all his momentum by having him do the kevin nash/HHH stuff. When they got him going again with the jonny ace feud it came back a little but they really hurt his push. The other issue is there is no heel for him to go against. With Jericho back there is but outside of him ziggler/Swagger were not cutting it.

With all of punks faults he is making Daniel Bryan look horrible. Bryan is just so blah its unreal. This entire AJ angle sucks. She pretends hurt and then comes out heel woman or wakes up and says enough and screws bryan over. Either way neither one is that entertaining. Its a shame Mark Henry got hurt because him vs the Big Show was good. Two monsters going at it and Henry has been doing some of the best work he has ever done.

They need tag teams to make a come back. The ones that have a name and a common theme. I like the Uso's and the Mexican team but they have a real lack of teams that make sense. every tag team match seems to be lets throw 4 guys in a ring together because we dont have a plan for them.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by maverick66

Its not punks fault. They killed almost all his momentum by having him do the kevin nash/HHH stuff. When they got him going again with the jonny ace feud it came back a little but they really hurt his push. The other issue is there is no heel for him to go against. With Jericho back there is but outside of him ziggler/Swagger were not cutting it.

Fair point. Part of it is that Punk's better as a natural heel, so it's still like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole with him as a face. Orton's the same way, but he's gotten a bit better at it. Punk doesn't come off as likeable in a lot of his promos. I know people want to compare him to Austin, but it's not even close. Austin was going with what the tone of the culture was at that time and being an everyman while shoving it to his boss, while Punk calls himself the best in the world which is still a heelish, arrogant statement while bullying Johnny Ace.

With all of punks faults he is making Daniel Bryan look horrible. Bryan is just so blah its unreal. This entire AJ angle sucks. She pretends hurt and then comes out heel woman or wakes up and says enough and screws bryan over. Either way neither one is that entertaining. Its a shame Mark Henry got hurt because him vs the Big Show was good. Two monsters going at it and Henry has been doing some of the best work he has ever done.

I totally disagree. If anything Bryan's been on fire right now and is much better than Punk at this point. Even last week he pretty much owned Punk and the only comeback Punk had was "Well I'm still the best in the world" which was just plain lame.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9h2B2oIBqc&t=07m00s

Bryan coming out and yelling "YES YES YES!" is the best thing going right now. Really have to agree to disagree w/ you on that one, Bryan's heel turn has been well done and pretty awesome.

They need tag teams to make a come back. The ones that have a name and a common theme. I like the Uso's and the Mexican team but they have a real lack of teams that make sense. every tag team match seems to be lets throw 4 guys in a ring together because we dont have a plan for them.

I know I'm alone in this but I don't even miss the tag teams all that much. I know E&C, the Dudleys, the Hardys, and all those guys was the golden age for tag teams, and it was great, but I'm not really missing the days of the tag teams all that much. I'm sure if they cared they could make a decent tag division w/ the guys on the roster, but I'm kinda over tag teams in general. Though like I said I do love me some Rosa.

[MichaelNadal]

^^^I couldn't disagree with you more about Daniel Bryan, there's way more exciting varieties of 80's wallpaper. Someone coming out saying yes yes yes is not the best thing going. It makes me want to turn the channel. The funkasaurus, r-truth, and jericho are the most entertaining guys right now.

[LeeD]

OK, who's the other giant of the big 3, you know, the "Indian" guy who used to have a little tyke running around and talking for him.
1. Big Show.
2. Mark Reynolds.
3. ?

[MichaelNadal]

The Great Khali, can't stand him.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

The Great Khali, can't stand him.

He's no Peter Boyle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ-aRwEbp5I

[maverick66]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

^^^I couldn't disagree with you more about Daniel Bryan, there's way more exciting varieties of 80's wallpaper. Someone coming out saying yes yes yes is not the best thing going. It makes me want to turn the channel. The funkasaurus, r-truth, and jericho are the most entertaining guys right now.

Ya the guy is just boring. the internet marks love him as he was an indy guy for a long time and from a technical aspect he is one of the better guys out there. Like I said he is Dean Melenko with a push.

I consider the golden age of tag teams to be legion of doom, demolition, and that age. when you had guys that where teamed together and knew how to work off one another. I enjoyed that and liked seeing it work.

I also loved stables another thing of the past. No more DX, ministry, corporation, and however many other stables they had. Last one they did was Nexus and what could have been pretty solid got super cena real fast.

I really think Jericho is gonna help punk. He knows how to work a crowd and make the other guy look good. His band is supposed to be going on tour soon though so not sure how long he is gonna be around.

[hollywood9826]

Jericho just understands the business side of wrestling like most people dont? He knows how to work crowds and he is not above putting other guys over. I mean he lost to Heath Slater in an attempt to make that whole nexus thing believable and try to get sonmethin started.

I hope if jericho is takin time off he is at least gonna put Punk over as a fan fave while the Cena Heel angle is developing.

Also bring Johhny Ace in to give the Ace Crusher to like 5 dudes while a japanese announcers yells.


ACCCEEAAHHH CRUSSSHAAAA

[hollywood9826]

For my money the Dudleys were my favorite Tag Team ever.

LOD were pinoeers, but Dudleys had the best finisher IMO. Doomsday device took too long to set up, and made it hard to work into a fast flowing match IMO.

3-D could happen super fast. And D-Von and Bubba knew how to work the crowd as both good and bad. They cut some promos in ECW that were great. Made some girl in the crowd cry becuase they said her mom was in the back alley doin a guy to get some cash for the tix.

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by hollywood9826

For my money the Dudleys were my favorite Tag Team ever.

LOD were pinoeers, but Dudleys had the best finisher IMO. Doomsday device took too long to set up, and made it hard to work into a fast flowing match IMO.

3-D could happen super fast. And D-Von and Bubba knew how to work the crowd as both good and bad. They cut some promos in ECW that were great. Made some girl in the crowd cry becuase they said her mom was in the back alley doin a guy to get some cash for the tix.

No love for the Steiners?