Probably the best PED insights you will ever see in this interview.

[JeMar]

Originally Posted by Fate Archer

Well, and this is the whole interview.


Now, in light of the many insights that it brings to this discussion, how do you view the doping problem in the context of tennis? Did it change anything?

Does it change your view on the use or possible legalization of some particular (endogenous) types of PEDs (those that enhance the utilization of substances produced by the own human body)?

I specially like how he advocates that what is actually unfair is nature, and how the use of some of these PEDs actually would level the playing field. It's the kind of seemingly distorted logic that, again, only those who are in the business of sports doping can give.

And please, Let's try to keep this discussion reasonably civil and without offense, so this thread won't be deleted.

I will try to post more additional material if things go well around here.

Thanks

Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for posting. I'd like to respond at length, but I'm on my cell phone.

[TopFH]

Originally Posted by Gorecki

Thanks : we must remeber, It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything.

Best movie quote ever.

[mike84]

Originally Posted by Benhur

In this interview he says he has always been for a clean sport, and never gave Marquez anything illegal. And he is suing someone for diffamation, for suggesting he has been doing exactly that with Marquez. In the interview three years ago he said pretty much every athlete is doping and he is one of the best in the business in helping them do that. Whatever. It's odd he would even be allowed to work as a physical trainer.

I suppose he means illegal things are illegal only if you are caught, and I suppose he has a point there. If all the participants in a running race are in fact doping, as he claims, then the cheating must somehow cancel itself out. It seems to be all a big game. But because he is very hard to believe in this tv interview, this also affects his credibility in the written interview posted here.

I also found it odd that Manny's camp never had issue with Marquez/Angel tie up.
Then again Manny has been accused many times of using PED as he moved up divisions without losing any speed or power.

Money plays huge role especially individual sports, wouldn't surprise me if there was cover ups.

[Nathaniel_Near]

Originally Posted by mike84

I also found it odd that Manny's camp never had issue with Marquez/Angel tie up.
Then again Manny has been accused many times of using PED as he moved up divisions without losing any speed or power.

Money plays huge role especially individual sports, wouldn't surprise me if there was cover ups.

That's just a case of one probable doper giving another one a free pass. It's a secret code of mutual respect. Seriously, nothing in tennis comes close to being as outlandish or implicative (custom word) as Pacman and PED abuse, especially concerning his and his teams demands that the blood tests that would have to be taken for a Mayweather bout should NOT be random, among other things.

[Bjorn99]

Originally Posted by Sentinel

Ben was really stupid, had he retired after that WR he would have not been caught and been disgraced, esp since he was not using anything designer (from what i know) but stanazolol which was used to fatten cows/livestock.

OTOH, Flo Jo retired before being caught, but then suddenly died a few years later. (Yes, she was never caught).

All the others who were detected went through their typical one to two years of professing innocence and then finally admitting guilt. The number of vials of banned substances and syringes that are found at various "Games" such as Olympics, Asian etc is high.

During the height of the cold war/communism or whatever it was did you notice that the Eastern Bloc athletes excelled in areas where steroids would help -- sprints, field events (power events), lifting etc, and not so much in skill events. Especially the women, where the difference would be larger.

However, i still don't know whether the african long distance runners are doped. I still think they aren't. Any info on that ?

I got my steroids from the same guy as Ben. That guy was ten times more knowledgeable than this Angel guy, and that is no disrespect to Angel. And Ben was undetectable, his story of a spiked drink was actually true. He was singled out, and who knows how the stanazabol got into his system. Maybe it wasnt even in it. Its all ********, heck Borg... dont even get me going on that guy.

[merlinpinpin]

Originally Posted by dudeski

Does all this mean that of the two 2005 FO finalists one was using cheap drugs and got caught while the other one was and still is using the expensive ones?

What we *know* about this is that both were claycourters. One was a teenager and the over was a convicted doper, and the teenager outlasted and outgunned the guy who was doping. These are the facts. Hence the "great genetics" explanation, I guess.

Great interview, btw. Thanks, Fate Archer.

[namelessone]

Originally Posted by merlinpinpin

What we *know* about this is that both were claycourters. One was a teenager and the over was a convicted doper, and the teenager outlasted and outgunned the guy who was doping. These are the facts. Hence the "great genetics" explanation, I guess.

Great interview, btw. Thanks, Fate Archer.

For all his doping, Puerta looked like he was about to keel over in the second and third sets of the final after his five set win over Davydenko in the SF.

And that teenager had just won long matches before RG with a much better claycourter than Puerta, by the name of Coria.

After his pre-RG results(won MC,Barcelona,Rome) Nadal was expected to make at least SF, even at such a young age. Puerta's run in RG was way more unexpected, seeing as he came in unseeded. Eyebrows were already raised when he reached SF in RG after coming back from a nine month suspension.

[Bartelby]

I believe we should authorize the use of epo, IGF and testosterone, as well as adrenaline and epitestosterone – substances that the body produces itself. Simply for pragmatic reasons, because it is impossible to detect them, and also because of the fairness aspect.



Sounds an eminently sensible suggestion.

Another would be to make some events less inhumane by making sure, for example, that six hour tennis matches never happen again.

[Tabash]

D'you think this is why they're so desperate pushing for a longer off-season. A better chance to get their doping programs set up in the best possible way. For athletics, she mentioned their periods off of 8 weeks or whatever to start stocking up on stuff and also managing things so the cycle reaches its peak at a particular event....Players don't have much down time atm. With a few more weeks off just think how sophisticated their doping regime could become.

[Tabash]

That all people in athletics were taking testosterone is obvious, even to the casual viewer. All the women in the short distance running have the upper bodies of men(and that was not just gotten from working out)

[MDCCLXXVI]

So, what is the solution?

[Apun94]

WOW! brilliant article, opened my eyes, explains the inhuman strength of Nadal nd Jokovic

[MDCCLXXVI]

Originally Posted by onehandbh

Instead of doping, they should stay natural and use flaxseed oil
like Barry Bonds.

There probably is no turning back from illegal drugs/doping in pro sports, but
what gets me is when young teens start doping/taking HGH/etc b/c they
may not realize the possible health consequence later in life.

Without commenting on the athletes who are doping, this is the issue right here.

It kills the sport.

If it was common knowledge that all the best players had thousands of dollars of illegal pharmaceuticals in their system at any one time, what inspired youngster is going to keep trying to improve?

Can't win a Masters without $500/day of clenbuterol...

Can't win a Major without $2,000/day of dianabol, clen, tren, hgh, etc...

At some point, no one will care about tennis because fewer will play or care after learning that all tennis players are hyper-dopers.

I already don't watch most pro sports, after learning that 90% of the athletes are swallowing or injecting something. The other 10% are black or superfreaks.

Once few enough people watch, televisions will stop covering ... Sponsors will go elsewhere ... and the game will atrophy.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Bjorn99

I got my steroids from the same guy as Ben. That guy was ten times more knowledgeable than this Angel guy, and that is no disrespect to Angel. And Ben was undetectable, his story of a spiked drink was actually true. He was singled out, and who knows how the stanazabol got into his system. Maybe it wasnt even in it. Its all ********, heck Borg... dont even get me going on that guy.

Are you kidding?

Ben J admitted it finally. He admitted what it did to his sex drive. He joked about it in the locker room with others in his team.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by Rock Strongo

Also Senti, I read somewhere a while ago that the long distance thing was a genetic thing, probably due to adaptation and spending time on high altitude or something. Makes me wonder why I'm not that great of a long-distance runner being 50% African...

On one hand true but that would hold true for sprinters too. The quantity of muscle fibers of a given kind (slow or fast twitch). Plus the Vo2 Max thing in the case of long distance runners.

Depends on which part of Africa you are from, west or east/NE. The distance runners come from the East and North-East (Morocco, Algeria etc) whereas i think the sprinters come from the western part.

[Sentinel]

Originally Posted by kragster

You guys are taking something serious and turning it into something whimsical.
I'm distraught at the multiple aliases in this forum. It was bad enough when I found out that Bud was actually Peter Polansky and believes in self deriding humor. Now I found out Gorecki is Clarky.

At least Senti was upfront about being Sunny Deol.

Originally Posted by Gorecki

that is right. Clarky and Gorecki and one and the same...!

in fact, i am also Drakulie, Malakas (), Aphex, Andres,NadalwonNiet, Babette, Jacksonville and Tusahrlovestogetslapped...

yep... i have a lottttttt of personalities!!!

ps: oh look... he can post with both his hands in different IP computers at the same time!!!

ps2: did i mention i am also Vive & Sentinel, who are one and the same?

You guys have heck of a nerve outing my real name, as well as my alt user names. So now everyone knows I am just a failed, aging, ugly film star who got his roles due to his famous father, and not an ATP Pro. No one will take my poasts seriously

You've ruined my life.

[wings56]

its happening everywhere. this is real. i think most people don't want to believe that their heroes are taking PEDs. the body can only do so much. the game has become so insanely physical and this physicality has to be maintained day in and day out for months at a time. just think about the quality of tennis that is maintained throughout 5 set matches. the big guys are definitely getting some help. to what extent, we may never know.

as far as putting a stop to it goes, you can almost forget about it. the big companies will keep any findings under the radar and even the things that do go public result in a slap on the wrist. the game won't go clean until players get banned indefinitely and stripped of earnings upon a positive test. unless that happens and all players are tested a couple times a week, its only going to get worse.

[dudeski]

Originally Posted by namelessone

For all his doping, Puerta looked like he was about to keel over in the second and third sets of the final after his five set win over Davydenko in the SF.

And that teenager had just won long matches before RG with a much better claycourter than Puerta, by the name of Coria.

After his pre-RG results(won MC,Barcelona,Rome) Nadal was expected to make at least SF, even at such a young age. Puerta's run in RG was way more unexpected, seeing as he came in unseeded. Eyebrows were already raised when he reached SF in RG after coming back from a nine month suspension.

We also know that the teenager run out of gas after the first 3 sets in the final only couple months earlier in Miami. Then suddenly he can go to 5 sets weeks later in Rome etc. Interesting progress in just few weeks. Hmmm...

[GuyClinch]

GOLF? Why would any golfer be doping?

Roids could help with the long drive off the tee - they enable you to practice alot - and recover good as new. They might take beta blockers to calm nerves..

There is a drug for everything...

One of the big things drugs are used for is injury recovery. HGH can really speed healing times - and steriods speed muscle recovery.

I'd say in tennis - almost all the guys are using HGH for injury recovery - and a fair amount are using steroids for strength. Serena is a pretty prominent example of a steroid user showing almost all the telltale signs.

Young healthy athletes almost never end up in the hospital for a blood clot. And she also is known to have avoided a test (something you can do as a pro tennis player) as I guess you have a few 'exemptions'

Human Growth Hormone could be legal for tennis players - BTW. It's pretty much considered quasi legal for the most part.

[JoelDali]

I drank 2 Muscle Milks this morning and I feel like I could crush a 6.0 level player.

Lets do this. Now.