The apocalypse is upon us: Fed learns to go to Nadal's BH

[AM95]

now imagine if he used this strategy five years ago..

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by monfed

HAHAHAHAHA, I guess Fed wasn't the GOAT/Maestro today huh?

When a Nadal fan doesn't call Fed the GOAT/Maestro etc, it means Fed's beaten Ralph. Go figure!

No, he is the GOAT, and the Maestro, and he played well. Nadal looked like complete hell though and there's no way you can deny that. I like Fed. I don't like Djokovic however, and had no problem admitting he beat Rafa while he was playing pretty damn well in the AO final.

[cc0509]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

No, he is the GOAT, and the Maestro, and he played well. Nadal looked like complete hell though and there's no way you can deny that. I like Fed. I don't like Djokovic however, and had no problem admitting he beat Rafa while he was playing pretty damn well in the AO final.

I thought Djokovic was your second favorite player next to Rafa?

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by cc0509

I thought Djokovic was your second favorite player next to Rafa?

He was, do we really need to go over this for the 50th time? Lets do it then. I hated Djokovic bc of his attitude, cockyness, and way he acted on court up until 2009 clay season. Seeing him close his mouth, stop with the antics, and just challenge Rafa man to man really made me like him. You can find posts during the 2010 USO when I said I would be happy whoever won the final and I meant that. I stopped liking him again when he started acting like a cocky ***** on court again in 2011, which is why I didn't like him to start with. Nothing to do with him beating Rafa, everything to do with acting like a drunken gorilla at times last year or the primal screaming, or ear cupping, or getting mad at the crowd. This year he's been more tolerable though.

[Clarky21]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

He was, do we really need to go over this for the 50th time? Lets do it then. I hated Djokovic bc of his attitude, cockyness, and way he acted on court up until 2009 clay season. Seeing him close his mouth, stop with the antics, and just challenge Rafa man to man really made me like him. You can find posts during the 2010 USO when I said I would be happy whoever won the final and I meant that. I stopped liking him again when he started acting like a cocky ***** on court again in 2011, which is why I didn't like him to start with. Nothing to do with him beating Rafa, everything to do with acting like a drunken gorilla at times last year or the primal screaming, or ear cupping, or getting mad at the crowd. This year he's been more tolerable though.

You just described why I have never liked Djesus. Never have and never will. I hate arrogance and cockyness and he has both in spades.

Plus he stutters when he talks and it drives me mad. Lol.

[OddJack]

Rodge was possessed,

He kept going to that side today too, even though it was Isner's forehand.

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by mcenroefan

OMG....I can't believe that I've seen it! Fed finally learns to beat on Nadal's BH!....at least more than customarily does such as in the AO semi.

I'm going to disagree here. Fed has never had a problem directing his shots to the nadal BH,,,,,, rather, his problem has always been NOT hitting enough shots to the Nadal FH and thus allowing Rafa to camp out and not keep him moving and "honest". This is what Joker does so well...... keeps Rafa moving and doesn't allow him to dictate.

[RoddickAce]

It looked like didn't mind winning ugly. When he was out of position, he didn't mind looping to Nadal's backhand or hitting plain ugly shots (for his standards obviously lol).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOpmGwT-sdY&t=3m47s

Might be the wind, but still, it looked like Federer was out there only caring about winning and not trying to make a highlight reel.

[couch]

Originally Posted by drakulie

I'm going to disagree here. Fed has never had a problem directing his shots to the nadal BH,,,,,, rather, his problem has always been NOT hitting enough shots to the Nadal FH and thus allowing Rafa to camp out and not keep him moving and "honest". This is what Joker does so well...... keeps Rafa moving and doesn't allow him to dictate.

Absolutely agree with this statement. I think Federer learned a lot from Joker's play against Nadal.

[Clarky21]

I thought it was illegal to hit to a players backhand if it is their weaker shot? Especially if it's a one hander. At least it is according to Fed fans. Lol.

[BigForehand]

Originally Posted by Steve_Fox

Nadal really has no other way to beat Roger than hittin lifted balls to Rogers backhand and hope that he makes lot of unforced errors , seriously thats all he was doing the entire match , he has no variety

+1 he's a pathetic loser compared to Federer.
Roger's gifts eclipse that spinmonkey's skills into an abyss.

[bertrevert]

Originally Posted by couch

Absolutely agree with this statement. I think Federer learned a lot from Joker's play against Nadal.

Good point! What the phrase they use, is it "getting the book on someone"?

Anyway, as the tour, the diversity of players, work something out on someone, you can see it being almost shared. They worked out Hewitt all those years ago. So I agree that its probably been Djoko who's found a way past Nadal which in turn teaches every other player to do something similar...

[drakulie]

^^^ironically, the first player I saw employ this tactic against Nadal was Hewitt in Hamburg. Everytime nadal went to hewitt's BH, Hewitt responded by stepping in and taking it early, redirecting it cross court. When the reply came back short (as Nadal is known to historically hit his FH short), Hewitt would hit a FH or BH down the line.

why it has taken the rest of the tour so long to employ this tactic is beyond me.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

He was, do we really need to go over this for the 50th time? Lets do it then. I hated Djokovic bc of his attitude, cockyness, and way he acted on court up until 2009 clay season. Seeing him close his mouth, stop with the antics, and just challenge Rafa man to man really made me like him. You can find posts during the 2010 USO when I said I would be happy whoever won the final and I meant that. I stopped liking him again when he started acting like a cocky ***** on court again in 2011, which is why I didn't like him to start with. Nothing to do with him beating Rafa, everything to do with acting like a drunken gorilla at times last year or the primal screaming, or ear cupping, or getting mad at the crowd. This year he's been more tolerable though.

Yeah applauding opponents shots on court is much worse than scowling or throwing your racquet

I don't really think Djokovic has been cocky, he's always given Fed and Nadal a lot of respect. And I don't see how his celebrations are any worse than Nadal's. Oh well.

[kragster]

Originally Posted by Towser83

Yeah applauding opponents shots on court is much worse than scowling or throwing your racquet

I don't really think Djokovic has been cocky, he's always given Fed and Nadal a lot of respect. And I don't see how his celebrations are any worse than Nadal's. Oh well.

Me neither. I think to be honest his entourage ( his parents, tipsy with than Rafa gun joke) etc make him seem more cocky than he actually is. Is he confident, yes , but every champion should be confident. But he shows his humility in spades when he loses, whereas fed or Rafa will usually find a way to imply that they didn't play well.

[Biscuitmcgriddleson]

Originally Posted by kragster

Me neither. I think to be honest his entourage ( his parents, tipsy with than Rafa gun joke) etc make him seem more cocky than he actually is. Is he confident, yes , but every champion should be confident. But he shows his humility in spades when he loses, whereas fed or Rafa will usually find a way to imply that they didn't play well.

Totally agree. It wasn't so long ago that Djoker said he was born in the wrong era. I was disgusted how his parents walked out at the French Open while he was playing Federer. Djoker has become very good natured in the past two plus years.

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by Towser83

Yeah applauding opponents shots on court is much worse than scowling or throwing your racquet

I don't really think Djokovic has been cocky, he's always given Fed and Nadal a lot of respect. And I don't see how his celebrations are any worse than Nadal's. Oh well.

Nobody wants his pity claps. Djokovic is as fake as press-on nails.

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by kragster

Me neither. I think to be honest his entourage ( his parents, tipsy with than Rafa gun joke) etc make him seem more cocky than he actually is. Is he confident, yes , but every champion should be confident. But he shows his humility in spades when he loses, whereas fed or Rafa will usually find a way to imply that they didn't play well.

Yeah I don't like his parents much, but you can't blame him for that, and he is a much better loser than Federer and Nadal. People might not like his celebrations when he wins but he embraces the loser and then goes nuts, and come on - he has been totally overshadowed by Federer and Nadal for years, he's had to work so hard to break their grip on tennis. In 2010 he could barely serve or beat a top 10 player and was being talked about as mentally and physically weak, and a one slam wonder. To then go on the run he had in 2011, I don't blame him at all for for going nuts when he was winning. Put yourself in his place and all the losses you've had to 2 of the greatest players of all time, and now finally you're ahead of them and winning everything? I wouldn't blame anyone for streaking naked across the court

[Towser83]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

Nobody wants his pity claps. Djokovic is as fake as press-on nails.

what like fake nadal's fake humbleness? Oh no, that of course is real

Sorry Djokovic has always had better sportsmanship than Nadal or Federer, and is less fake than them as well. Lol at the bitter "fake applause" accusations. You know if someone acts nice, just pretend it's not real.

Not an all time great like them yet, but better sportsman.

[MichaelNadal]

Originally Posted by Towser83

what like fake nadal's fake humbleness? Oh no, that of course is real

Sorry Djokovic has always had better sportsmanship than Nadal or Federer, and is less fake than them as well. Lol at the bitter "fake applause" accusations. You know if someone acts nice, just pretend it's not real.

Not an all time great like them yet, but better sportsman.

Have u ever paid attention to his facial expression while he's "clapping"?