The indoor season will decide Federer's fate in 2012

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

That may be true, but I'm more inclined to believe that Federer is more consistent at RG than Nadal ever was at Wimbledon. And Nadal is also vulnerable to big hitters, even off of grass. Raonic, Tsonga, Berdych, del Potro, any of these players can get hot and hit Nadal off Centre Court.

Raonic? LOL C'mon. Del Potro? He was hot at Wimbledon last year, many described it as the best match of Wimbledon and maybe of the year. Still, only 4 sets. Nadal has a way of drawing errors from these brutes. He's learned a lot over the years about these guys. The odds are far against Nadal losing to any of them. You think Nadal is more likely to lose early at Wimbledon than Federer is to lose at Roland Garros? That's a matter of opinion. Agree to disagree on that.

[FlashFlare11]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

Raonic? LOL C'mon. Del Potro? He was hot at Wimbledon last year, many described it as the best match of Wimbledon and maybe of the year. Still, only 4 sets. Nadal has a way of drawing errors from these brutes. He's learned a lot over the years about these guys. The odds are far against Nadal losing to any of them. You think Nadal is more likely to lose early at Wimbledon than Federer is to lose at Roland Garros? That's a matter of opinion. Agree to disagree on that.

The players I listed have huge serves. Nadal cannot meet Tsonga, Berdych, or del Potro in the first week. But if he meets Raonic, you can bet that the serves will be flying. Any of these guys can beat Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic if they catch fire.

I'll agree to disagree on that. But, I'll support my case with the fact that Federer looks extremely comfortable on clay, and has a natural game for clay. He's never had to adjust too much, and the slightly faster conditions at RG will help him. He dropped only one set en route to the final last year and has consistently made the final of RG since 06, barring 2010.

[nadalwon2012]

Originally Posted by FlashFlare11

The players I listed have huge serves. Nadal cannot meet Tsonga, Berdych, or del Potro in the first week. But if he meets Raonic, you can bet that the serves will be flying. Any of these guys can beat Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic if they catch fire.

I'll agree to disagree on that. But, I'll support my case with the fact that Federer looks extremely comfortable on clay, and has a natural game for clay. He's never had to adjust too much, and the slightly faster conditions at RG will help him. He dropped only one set en route to the final last year and has consistently made the final of RG since 06, barring 2010.

I've seen Nadal play Ranoic twice, both on hardcourt Tokyo 2010 and 2011. Nadal won all 4 sets, and no tie-breakers required.

Yeah, too bad about Federer's 2010, especially after he made 4 straight grand slam finals in 2009 and won the channel slam. And he won the 2010 Australian Open, but then just dropped off randomly at Roland Garros (despite making the Madrid final and being in good clay form). Momentum, strange thing. You think you have it, but you don't.

[Cup8489]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

I've seen Nadal play Ranoic twice, both on hardcourt Tokyo 2010 and 2011. Nadal won all 4 sets, and no tie-breakers required.

Yeah, too bad about Federer's 2010, especially after he made 4 straight grand slam finals in 2009 and won the channel slam. And he won the 2010 Australian Open, but then just dropped off randomly with a 4th round loss at Roland Garros (despite making the Madrid final and being in good clay form). Momentum, strange thing. You think you have it, but you don't.

Quarterfinal bub. Ironic you talking about Momentum when according to you, Nadal has tremendous momentum from his 0-match win streak against djokovic. LOL.

[purge]

everything from now until the indoor season will decide federers fate in 2012

[Gorecki]

Originally Posted by jackson vile

You say that now...

no sheet Einsten...? he did say that, now! i wish a was near you just so i could be close to someone so smart!!

[jokinla]

Fed has a lot less to worry about defending than either Djoker or Nadal.

[Sentinel]

Didn't know Federer's fate was up for decisions. Especially after having won almost everything in his career and still playing decently at 31.

I would rather think the younger guys need some help. Like someone who hasn't won an ATP title since RG.

[World Beater]

Originally Posted by nadalwon2012

Again, a streak of 5, 6, 7, is all part of a balanced h2h. Nothing new here.

hey nadallost2012,

losing like 7 finals in a row to another great player doesnt happen often. Even nadal cannot do that to federer and the matchup is much in favor of nadal there.

Nadal was close in AO, but it was because novak was dead tired after playing murray. it was an embarassing choke from nadal that he couldnt defeat djokovic after having a break in the 5th set and an open court for the backhand.

no other great player of the level of nadal has endured such a terrible streak in performance against another player in finals. Dont be so certain it will not continue. nadal has no gameplan for djokovic. he has tried everything in australia and still lost.

the final straw will be RG where nadal will become owned by a player of the same generation, even something that didnt happen to federer. djokovic is only one year younger than nadal.

nadal better pray that federer beats djokovic in the sf or he can go home to mallorca.