The Graf/Hingis rivalry - Page 2

kiki · 03-26-2012, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerPlay

Hingis was a master...her game is missed on the current "hit it as hard a show can" WTA tour.

... his tennis...and many more things she brought on court ( like her friend and teammate Anna Kournikova)

kiki · 03-30-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BTURNER

Graf played a game totally unlike most other women. One obvious difference was that one-handed slice, that stayed low to Hingis backhand and gave Graf better reach wide to her left. She was also a better all court mover than just about anyone else Hingis played. Hingis played positional tennis and depended on manuvering her opponent into awkward situations and off balance to induce errors or bad choices. It was virtually impossible to keep Steffi out of position long enough to gain benefit while that slice always made Martina hit up on her twohander. Let's face it Steffi was a perfect anecdote to the entire double-handed revolution in women's tennis. Virtually all other one handers (Navratilova, Novatna, Sukova) followed it to the net for target practice. Steffi did not give a target and gave nothing easy to tee off on in cross court exchanges. Ask yourself how many women with double-handers had a winning record vs Graf?

In any case, Martina was the last true great volleyer in the women´s circuit.There hasn´t been any like she over the last 10 years.

chandler bing · 03-30-2012, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1970CRBase

The same thing that Hingis used to destroy Monica, her variety and shotmaking, is the same thing Graf could kill with her movement and her own power. Still, all their last five matches went the distance including the notorious 5 setter at 96 Chase.

btw Hingis and Graf are playing an exo in Taipei in May. Back in the day Cheeky Hingis was one of the very few players Graf really disliked. Are the cool with each other now? Hingis will be looking to get back at Graf over that 99 RG fiasco that she still can't get over even today, though I maintain it was the 2 AO's that she lost against Capriati that were worse.

Hingis and Graf did not like each other. Steffi looked like she wanted to rip Hingis's head off during that French Open final. Their 'handshake' after the match was very frosty, they just kind of bumped fingertips in an awkward way.

dannykl · 03-31-2012, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chandler bing

Hingis and Graf did not like each other. Steffi looked like she wanted to rip Hingis's head off during that French Open final. Their 'handshake' after the match was very frosty, they just kind of bumped fingertips in an awkward way.

I think they will move on and have a nice chat and re-match in Taipei this May.

Although this time I think Hingis will win, as Hingis is in better form for tennis after retirement and is much younger.

Looking forwards to seeing how they will interact with each other in Taipei.

andtapes · 03-31-2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

gRAF WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO ENDURE 2 SHAMES:

One not caused by her: Seles Stabbing

The other caused by her: the shameful and unsportsmanlike way she won her last slam because ****ing french crowds ( who were crazy about that guy mauresmo) and ball-less umpires decided so.

I feel bad for Graf: a great champìon GOING OUT IN THE MOST SHAMEFUL AND DISGRACEFUL WAY EVER¡¡¡¡

Honestly, compared to that, coke´s small trouble for Hingis pales in comaprison.

You are completly right!!!

kiki · 03-31-2012, 05:52 AM

We owe Navratilova to put to an end Evert´s domination.We owe Graf to put to an end Navratilova´s domination.We owe to Seles to put to an end Graf´s domination.We ove Hingis to finish Seles domination.

dannykl · 03-31-2012, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

We owe Navratilova to put to an end Evert´s domination.We owe Graf to put to an end Navratilova´s domination.We owe to Seles to put to an end Graf´s domination.We ove Hingis to finish Seles domination.

Graf's first domination is mostly disrupted by her family problems and the label and attacks from the media. Seles emerges at the time when Graf was troubled and suffered by his father's scandals. Graf's second domination is ended by her own keen injuries and the following surgeries.

Hingis didn't finished Seles' domination because Seles was not even dominant in 96-97. But still Seles was dominated by Hingis since 1996.

The dominant power before Hingis' prime years was Graf and the termination of Graf's domination is not because of Hingis but Graf's own injuries. Still an injured and past her prime Graf has a winning record against a prime Hingis.

dannykl · 03-31-2012, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kiki

gRAF WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO ENDURE 2 SHAMES:

One not caused by her: Seles Stabbing

The other caused by her: the shameful and unsportsmanlike way she won her last slam because ****ing french crowds ( who were crazy about that guy mauresmo) and ball-less umpires decided so.

I feel bad for Graf: a great champìon GOING OUT IN THE MOST SHAMEFUL AND DISGRACEFUL WAY EVER¡¡¡¡

Honestly, compared to that, coke´s small trouble for Hingis pales in comaprison.

Graf is widely respected and regarded as the role model for tennis and the sport world. She is remembered as one of, if not the greatest and most classic tennis players ever in history. She has received numerous honours after retirement, including being named as best female player in last century for ball sport. Once again she is recently named as the best female player ever by Tennis Channel. Graf will be always remembered and admired as one of the greatest sport legends.

kiki · 03-31-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dannykl

Graf's first domination is mostly disrupted by her family problems and the label and attacks from the media. Seles emerges at the time when Graf was troubled and suffered by his father's scandals. Graf's second domination is ended by her own keen injuries and the following surgeries.

Hingis didn't finished Seles' domination because Seles was not even dominant in 96-97. But still Seles was dominated by Hingis since 1996.

The dominant power before Hingis' prime years was Graf and the termination of Graf's domination is not because of Hingis but Graf's own injuries. Still an injured and past her prime Graf has a winning record against a prime Hingis.

You can´t count the steal at RG as a win for Graf.

DMan · 03-31-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki

gRAF WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO ENDURE 2 SHAMES:

One not caused by her: Seles Stabbing

The other caused by her: the shameful and unsportsmanlike way she won her last slam because ****ing french crowds ( who were crazy about that guy mauresmo) and ball-less umpires decided so.

I feel bad for Graf: a great champìon GOING OUT IN THE MOST SHAMEFUL AND DISGRACEFUL WAY EVER¡¡¡¡

Honestly, compared to that, coke´s small trouble for Hingis pales in comaprison.

Remind me what other names you've posted under.....

DMan · 03-31-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kiki

I was looking at the 1999 FO final and I couldn´t stop thinking how hypocrital graf´s enhancers and Hingis haters are.

Graf ahd the best FH all time - men or women- and the best moves - also both or women- but she was just as much a ***** as Evert,King,Williams, to name a few.

Hingis was arrogant and made a mistake, yes.But she was right, and the line was clearly not the one marked.It seemed that the referees were pushed by the french awful crowd.Hingis would have won it easily and humilliate Graf if not for that ( she also made the mistake not to let it go when she was dominating but SHE WAS UTTERLY RIGHT)

Graf could ahve, at least, signaled the mark or round it.Instead, she was laughing big time, just as the big ***** she was.

Hingis was a geniune champion, always smiling, her game was so unique, inteligent, chess-like.Graf was just a great athlete.

Hingis was so hot and cute, she brought a fresh air that has been lost forever.Graf always looked like she had to go to the dentist...

Graf sure looked happy during that French final. Wasn't it Hingis who left the court in tears! Was she crying about her upcoming dental appointment?!

kiki · 04-01-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DMan

Remind me what other names you've posted under.....

Just KIKI... but I may change to the TRUTH MACHINE

kiki · 04-01-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DMan

Graf sure looked happy during that French final. Wasn't it Hingis who left the court in tears! Was she crying about her upcoming dental appointment?!

She was hurt because stolen.French Crowd+French Umpires+Graff was too much for her

Rozroz · 04-01-2012, 01:58 AM

i looked at the FO final on Youtube,
and although you said (kiki) that Hingis was more of a chess player,
it seemed that she was not more smart or versatile than Graff (at least on that match).
also, Graff had those killers dropshot that Hingis didn't have so as a smarter player i expected her to also have them.

ps. what about them Hingis pics?

kiki · 04-03-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rozroz

i looked at the FO final on Youtube,
and although you said (kiki) that Hingis was more of a chess player,
it seemed that she was not more smart or versatile than Graff (at least on that match).
also, Graff had those killers dropshot that Hingis didn't have so as a smarter player i expected her to also have them.

ps. what about them Hingis pics?

As I said, Graf vs Hingis was The Beast vs The Beauty.And HIngis had the beautiful shots, while Graf had the greatest ever forehand, men or women.

03-31-2012, 05:52 AM	#26
kiki G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 10,710	We owe Navratilova to put to an end Evert´s domination.We owe Graf to put to an end Navratilova´s domination.We owe to Seles to put to an end Graf´s domination.We ove Hingis to finish Seles domination. __________________ " I have watched plenty of matches of the 70´s and 80´s" ABMK, the historian

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