No1e's Racquet

[RadicalMPfan]

According to Greg Nadal's racquet is shorter than the retail which may be the result of stringing machines. He also found that it has a lower flex than the retail version even though many of you argue he doesn't use a custom layup.

[Dave M]

Originally Posted by RadicalMPfan

. Custom layup
2.Different pallet that lowered the stiffness.
3.Loss of stiffness from stringing and age.
4.I need another verification of this stiffness rating from Greg Raven that was from years ago. I know he is respected on this forum so don't take this as an insult.

Some thoughts R M P,
1) At some point virtually all these players would of started with bog standard racquets as kids, it seems that when they get contracts someof them never manage to get used to anything new (so their old frames are made for them with new paint) and others are offered similar but none the less different choices for customisation. Djok's racquet from the specs people who know have posted doesn't match anything like the racquet it is supposed to be. (Anyone aware of the 1st head frame he had?)
2) How would a different pallet change a stiffness reading? (that's a question i'm hoping someone can answer, i don't know)
3) The racquets aren't normally that old when they are retired and while they'll probably have more string jobs on them than most regular peoples in 4 or 5 years in 3 or 4 months, that's not normally enough time for anyone but the ultra sensitive to tell the difference.(not sure it would equate to many points on an rdc machine)
4)Always wise to have more than one source!

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by RadicalMPfan

According to Greg Nadal's racquet is shorter than the retail which may be the result of stringing machines. He also found that it has a lower flex than the retail version even though many of you argue he doesn't use a custom layup.

He uses the original aero pro drive painted to look like the new one. Look at the specs on that release, it has less flex. There are a lot of pictures proving this (they show the painted on cortex).

Not every racquet company does custom layups for all their players. A lot of Babolat players use the retail sticks.

[RadicalMPfan]

I agree Dave, I doubt any racquet would lose 6 stiffness points from a relatively new frame. I don't know what a different pallet would do, but I'd imagine it would change the flex a little. I don't think I could ever get used to the hollow feel of a babolat even though I like how I hit with them. I'm no expert, but Greg rated Nadal's racquet 65 RA, which is lower than the retail original APD(non cortex).

Too bad we don't have another data point to confirm 51 RA rating.

[RadicalMPfan]

The reason why this rating is so important, because the "Custom Layup" thesis is based upon one person's data point from a few years ago.(correct me if i'm wrong). I do now tend to believe it is a custom layup, but i doubt he has crazy layers of epoxy and other materials that are different than most quality retail frames. Their is still a small possibility That it is a customized Radical MP until we get an updated stiffness rating.

[Power Player]

No one has said otherwise. We have tried to explain to you that a layup is not the same as a composition but for some reason you still do not seem to get that a layup is simply how the materials are distributed in the frame.

[PED]

Originally Posted by RadicalMPfan

II'm no expert, but Greg rated Nadal's racquet 65 RA, which is lower than the retail original APD(non cortex).

Stock APD original flex rating is only 67 so not a big difference there. Could be a difference in QC

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Revi...PDPReview.html

[RadicalMPfan]

So why do people proclaim he uses and custom layup when it is based off one person's data point from years ago? Point is no one knows what pro is using what lay up. People go back and forth on which model Federer's layup is duplicating. But it is accepted that if he uses something other than the current model racquet, that it is the lay up of another model which in my book would be a N.code 90, not a custom lay up. Their is the same chance that Novak is using the same layup as a previous frame that we will never know about. I am done posting about this subject because I have found what I am looking for. I am sorry for having a different, open minded perspective than some of you. I have finally found the perfect racquet that suits my game, Radical MP microgel, leaded and siliconed to 350 grams. There is nothing left to discuss until someone runs a test on his current frame

Thank you fabfed for all the great pictures and specs.

[Power Player]

What exactly is your perspective? It changed multiple times in less than 20 posts.

[RadicalMPfan]

Power Dummy don't push your limits with me again. It obviously changed as people like you informed me more on the questions I had. As you gain more knowledge, your perspective changes. To quote your friends who think those strippers were into them, you are obviously smarter with a different perspective than them.

My perspective is that he is using the mold of my current racquet, and that no one can prove or disprove the notion of it being a custom layup not found on any retail frame out there. I tend to believe he is using a replicate of an older model racquet like many other pros use. But I can't prove that until there is more evidence out, specifically the ever elusive stiffness rating. It still irritates me that people say he uses a racquet that can't be found because no one has the proof to back it up. Either of us good be right, but who knows.

Have a great day power player hope you got an ego boost from your attacking posts.

[Power Player]

It seems like you are the guy with the attacking posts. Power dummy? I mean, c'mon man..lol.

Anyway I told you you are so close that it doesnt matter that much if you lead the stick up the same. I have owned pro molds as have others here and we all say the same thing. Its not a big deal..just match the specs with lead and see how you like it.

It appears your perspective did not change because you still think the same thing about the mold. But it is not really a big deal regardless because I doubt you or I would play our best with noles exact stick setup anyway.

[forthegame]

Don't bother feeding the trolls.

Each to his own, we are all right.

[Dave M]

Originally Posted by Power Player

regardless because I doubt you or I would play our best with noles exact stick setup anyway.

Funny you should say that, last summer i was playing with an ex pro's yonex frame, one of those custom made to their specs out of the mold jobs, for a set i was fantastic, anything more than 30 mins my arm needed a trip to the ER, there is just so much difference between their abillities and ours that unless there is a pro out there who puts in the same hours of gym and court time as the rest of us (hmm not a lot) then all these "how can i make my racquet like........." threads are frankly pointless and people need to realise that those specs are achieved by testing, a lot of testing untill they settle on something.

I am having thought more about it fairly certain a pallet couldn't change the flex as i don't think that is where it is measured on the machine. As said above it may be that when a batch of frames was made Nadals person selected the ones for him that are closest to the flex he wanted and they went from there.

[Meaghan]

Originally Posted by Dave M

Funny you should say that, last summer i was playing with an ex pro's yonex frame, one of those custom made to their specs out of the mold jobs, for a set i was fantastic, anything more than 30 mins my arm needed a trip to the ER, there is just so much difference between their abillities and ours that unless there is a pro out there who puts in the same hours of gym and court time as the rest of us (hmm not a lot) then all these "how can i make my racquet like........." threads are frankly pointless and people need to realise that those specs are achieved by testing, a lot of testing untill they settle on something.

Pim Pim's specs are quite something tho Dave, I could get one quality set out of the rdx500mid but the even balance was just too much at 380g or so. Joachim Johansson was an athlete tho.

[RadicalMPfan]

Dave first of all my thread wasn't "how to make my stick like..." It was more like I customized my radicalMP and fell in love with it. I found this post by fab thread and I had coincidently came close to duplicating his specs. I do not wish to add anymore weight to reach his exact weight because it already feels like a club. I also find that racquets that weigh heavier keep my arm out of the ER. Every time I hit with something lite my arm kills me.

[TennisCJC]

Nadal adds weight to his older APro which may make it test stiffer. Could account for difference in stock racket and Nadal's racket flex ratings.

[CDestroyer]

Originally Posted by RadicalMPfan

Dave first of all my thread wasn't "how to make my stick like..." It was more like I customized my radicalMP and fell in love with it. I found this post by fab thread and I had coincidently came close to duplicating his specs. I do not wish to add anymore weight to reach his exact weight because it already feels like a club. I also find that racquets that weigh heavier keep my arm out of the ER. Every time I hit with something lite my arm kills me.

Thats because you:

have slow racquet head speed
poor technique
strings too tight
strings too stiff
racquet too stiff

I know a former ITF tournament player that plays with a 10.5 ounce racquet with a 287 swingweight. Easily has the best kick serve I have ever seen and the most explosive jump off the court on his forehand.

[RadicalMPfan]

I don't even know why I am responding to you Cdestroyor, most likely for entertainment value. I'm glad you assume all of that based on the fact I find that lighter racquets are harder on my arm. But yes, you did get one of those assumptions correct. I tried a pure drive that was very stiff strung at mid range with NRG mains/ sonic pro crosses. The others I am not addressing because it is a waste of time.

[DannyJK]

Ive read in other forum posts he uses Gauge 17 ( 1.25 ) for both Gut Mains and Lux Crosses.

Mains at 27.5
X's at 26.5

does this sound correct to you people?

The main question though is;

How does Djoko get his Crosses strung, because his starting knot is at 10h from the pictures provided by Fabfed ( By the way Thank You Fabfed for your efforts )

Thanks for your time.

[bbulla]

Good observation about the cross getting tied off at 10H. It's certainly possible to do this, but very unusual. I've started a post here:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...14#post6803414

Perhaps someone can add some insight.