USTA taking over USPTA ?

[chalkflewup]

Name calling is counter-productive to moving forward. I wish we could all just get all long.

[JLyon]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

I have a kid who did not receive offers (plural) from a couple of top choice D1 schools, both State and private. Each of these schools has foreigners on the roster. I am not sure if there was a causal connection between these two facts and don't really care.

This kid also received offers (plural) from other fine D1 State and private schools. These schools also have foreigners on the roster.

So does that give me standing to comment?

I think it was pretty dim to ask why the #1 US boy can not get a full scholarship to the school he wants to go to, or even the top 5 schools he wants to go to

I think it was pretty dim to wonder why a kid can be a top-30 US junior player and not get a whiff of playing time in college.

I think the person who asked these questions.....and anyone who thinks they are spot-on........is out of touch.

Are you kidding??? You do realize guys only have 4.5 scholarships to divide amongst 6-8 guys, very few are getting full rides, American or other.
#1 US Boy will be able to go wherever they want, so not a valid argument
Top 30 player not sniffing playing time ???? Top 30 will be able to play most anywhere, now if they are getting playing time could it not be because they have bad work ethic, poor attitude?

Now if it is same scenario but female most schools give full rides to 6-8 players so a Top 100 female will get a full ride, maybe not to Big Time U, but close if they open their eyes and look.

College coaches would prefer to have American players but if Amercians do not consider them what should they do? Fill scholarships with sub-par players because they have too.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by JLyon

Are you kidding??? You do realize guys only have 4.5 scholarships to divide amongst 6-8 guys, very few are getting full rides, American or other.
#1 US Boy will be able to go wherever they want, so not a valid argument
Top 30 player not sniffing playing time ???? Top 30 will be able to play most anywhere, now if they are getting playing time could it not be because they have bad work ethic, poor attitude?

Now if it is same scenario but female most schools give full rides to 6-8 players so a Top 100 female will get a full ride, maybe not to Big Time U, but close if they open their eyes and look.

College coaches would prefer to have American players but if Amercians do not consider them what should they do? Fill scholarships with sub-par players because they have too.

No, I am not kidding. I think those questions were dim. What's your issue? You think those questions are legit? Are you kidding????????

What is there about my post you do not understand?

If you think anyone is dim for asking why the #1 boy can not get a full scholy, quote up the post that thought the question was legit. If you think anyone is dim for asking why top 30 juniors can't get a whiff of playing time in college, quote up the post that thought the question was legit. And while you're at it, you can give them your red thumbs down.

PS. Kinda patronizing to tell us boys have 4.5 and girls get 8 fulls (if the school is fully-funded)...........I think the Board is beyond basics like that, but thanks anyway

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by JLyon

Are you kidding??? You do realize guys only have 4.5 scholarships to divide amongst 6-8 guys, very few are getting full rides, American or other.
#1 US Boy will be able to go wherever they want, so not a valid argument
Top 30 player not sniffing playing time ???? Top 30 will be able to play most anywhere, now if they are getting playing time could it not be because they have bad work ethic, poor attitude?

Now if it is same scenario but female most schools give full rides to 6-8 players so a Top 100 female will get a full ride, maybe not to Big Time U, but close if they open their eyes and look.

College coaches would prefer to have American players but if Amercians do not consider them what should they do? Fill scholarships with sub-par players because they have too.

See my prior post

[JLyon]

Hmm a little research shows the #30 recruit from 2011 as a freshmen was playing #5 at an ACC school, #1 recruit playing at UCLA, #50 recruit played #1 at A-10 School. #75 Recruit playing #3 at ACC school. All playing as Freshmen

So your discussion on Top 30 not getting playing time is bunk.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by JLyon

Hmm a little research shows the #30 recruit from 2011 as a freshmen was playing #5 at an ACC school, #1 recruit playing at UCLA, #50 recruit played #1 at A-10 School. #75 Recruit playing #3 at ACC school. All playing as Freshmen

So your discussion on Top 30 not getting playing time is bunk.

You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I do not have a discussion on Top 30 not getting playing time. I said someone else's question that asserted that point was dim.....and that person and anyone who agrees with him is out-of-touch. See post #40.

You are agreeing with me, and you don't realize it!!!!!!!

Or maybe you are just trolling the thread and haven't read it.

It is really funny to see you say that people who you agree with are posting bunk.

My laugh of the day!

[t135]

Athletic scholarships at public American colleges and universities should be exclusively for tax paying Americans. It's as simple as that. The USA doesn't need to educate foreign students for free because of athletic ability. American coaches recruit those players to win more, and that's it. I coached college tennis and did exactly the same thing. And so did all the other coaches. It's a quick easy way to get compete for national championships against other teams who recruit foreign players.

[chalkflewup]

Originally Posted by t135

Athletic scholarships at public American colleges and universities should be exclusively for tax paying Americans. It's as simple as that. The USA doesn't need to educate foreign students for free because of athletic ability. American coaches recruit those players to win more, and that's it. I coached college tennis and did exactly the same thing. And so did all the other coaches. It's a quick easy way to get compete for national championships against other teams who recruit foreign players.

Why would you restrict it only to athletes?

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by t135

Athletic scholarships at public American colleges and universities should be exclusively for tax paying Americans. It's as simple as that......

I agree with Chalk's point in the previous post.

In addition, I don't understand what taxes have to do with it. If I am wrong and taxes are relevant, should kids with families who pay a lot of taxes get preferences for scholarships over kids from families who pay less tax?

What about the estimated 50% of Americans who pay no federal income tax. No scholys for you?

What about the kids from states with no state income tax. They pay sales taxes but so do foreigners who live in those states. No State U scholys for them either.....or foreigners who reside in those states are ok?

I really think the tax argument is kinda lame.

[andfor]

Originally Posted by t135

Athletic scholarships at public American colleges and universities should be exclusively for tax paying Americans. It's as simple as that........

Yes, and for private schools who choose to still recruit internationally they would lose all federal and state funding they may be receiving. Or, create separate divisions for public and private colleges on the NCAA level and have different rules for each. Never let public and private schools compete again. With the internationals at private schools it would be so unfair.

Creating new divisions and restricting funding are both viable solutions that would very, very easily be passed by the NCAA and college presidents. If that does not work I'm sure either the state legislatures, governors and the U.S. Congress would gladly get involved. The U.S. Supreme court is another easy path, I'm surprised they have not been involved earlier. Hmmmm, my memory is a little fuzzy, I think the courts may have weighed in back in the 70's, oh well...........

Conversely, the U.S. could produce more tennis playing kids who want to play college tennis and also improve their level of play. Nah..........stupid idea, have to work and train to hard. The entitlement idea or changing the entire systems to conform to the American level of play and dumb down the system is much better.

[JLyon]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

You have a serious reading comprehension problem.

I do not have a discussion on Top 30 not getting playing time. I said someone else's question that asserted that point was dim.....and that person and anyone who agrees with him is out-of-touch. See post #40.

You are agreeing with me, and you don't realize it!!!!!!!

Or maybe you are just trolling the thread and haven't read it.

It is really funny to see you say that people who you agree with are posting bunk.

My laugh of the day!

Yeah reading comprehension obviously was not my strong suit. My apologies. This topic does get me hot under the collar though when many do not see the forest through the trees

[Misterbill]

^^^^^ No prob.

And the posters who are opposed to foreigners or non-in-staters getting scholarships bring it up in so many threads that are not even remotely related to the topic.

My own impression, can't prove it, is that there is something personal that is gnawing at them.

[t135]

Originally Posted by chalkflewup

Why would you restrict it only to athletes?

Because this is a tennis/sport based website. Not here to solve all the problems in the world. Just those in tennis.