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05-04-2012, 10:29 AM
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soderling beat nadal AND federer soderling >> franulovic ...atleast at RG ... and Kodes avoided defending champ Laver and the finest CC of the generation , Rosewall in 70 RG ditto in 71 .... but this time he lost in rome finals to Laver .... only real win of significance was the one over Nastase ...
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Becker,Edberg and Sampras would baggel him ( federer ) on fast indoor or grass more often than not. - the one and only kiki |
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05-04-2012, 11:14 AM
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05-04-2012, 11:28 AM
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In 1970, Franulovic beated Arthur Ashe in FO. And he won Monte-Carlo, beating Nastase and Orantes. Final in FO in 1970, SF in 1971, great clay player. |
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05-04-2012, 11:46 AM
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Hoad was wayyyyyyyy past his best in 69 ..... Quote:
but in essence the FOs that Kodes won were not full strength ones and there is a pretty good chance he wouldn't have won if they were ..
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05-05-2012, 01:25 AM
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Not happy with his 2 FO, Kodes won Wimbledon and played and lost extremely hard fought US Open finals in 71 and 73.In 71 he had knocked out Wordlīs nš 1 player John Newcombe before reaching the final match, and he repeated in 1973 ( this time he beat wordlīs nš 1 Smith before losing to Newk)
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05-05-2012, 02:03 AM
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again the 71 and 73 USOs show that while Kodes was good, he was not great .. couldn't win majors when there were full fields ....
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05-05-2012, 06:30 AM
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I'm not sure "refused" is the appropriate word here. These players were under contract to WCT/NTL which the the French Tennis Federation prohibited from playing. So one could say that in order to play they would have had to break their contracts, and thus be subject to any legal penalties of "breach of contract." If you say that these players "refused" to play the FO, you might as well say say that the Pros before 1969 "refused" to play the slams because they "refused" to remain amateurs.
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The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little. Last edited by hoodjem : 05-05-2012 at 08:25 AM. |
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05-05-2012, 07:10 AM
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My point is that the players who were under WCT/NTL contract didn't play because their pro group had failed to come to terms with the powers that be to play in those tournaments.
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05-05-2012, 08:08 AM
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Well, those 3 guys played 1973 Wimbledon
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05-05-2012, 08:17 AM
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connors had still not hit his peak ( that was 74 ) nastase bombed out ... ever heard of stan smith ? well yeah, he was the defending champion ... he didn't play ever heard of Ken rosewall ? rod laver ? newcombe ? well, they didn't play either ? ever heard that 13 of the 16 seeds did not play and that a total of 81 players boycotted wimbledon in 73 .... oh wait ....  worst wimbledon by far in the open era ......
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05-05-2012, 08:20 AM
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Kodes was one of the biggest overachieving 3 slam winners in the Open Era. Even fans of the game from back then will admit that. More impressive than any of his 3 slam wins, especialy his Wimbledon title, were really his 2 U.S Open finals were he beat a number of quality opponents before barely falling in tough finals both years.
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05-05-2012, 08:29 AM
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Borg was just 10 months short of his first GS win and 9 month short of his first major final. Connors was a long time top 10 player, since he competed at the 1972 and 1973 Masters, which gathered the top eight finishers at the Gran Prix points table.The Gran Prix was first sponsored by Pepsico, next Gillete and Commercial Union.Pepsico has been famous because one of its products, Pepsicola, has been long time Coca Colaīs main competitor.Gillete used to have around 40%-50% of the worldīs market share for shaving machines.Commercial Union was an insurance company, which I donīt know if it still exists or was object of a merger or an absortion with another INsurance Company.Insurance Companies mergers have been one of the main features of this sector. Nastase didnīt reach the finals, yes.But it doesnīt mean he didnīt play it.Nadal didnīt make the finals at the AO the year Bagdhatis met Federer, but he did play the event.
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05-05-2012, 09:28 AM
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see Laver-Rosewall in 63 and 64 .... Rosewall ( & Hoad ) beat the hell out of Laver in 63 ... But laver turned it around in 64 ..... nadal ended 2004 @ #51. He ended 2005 as #2. delpo was double bagelled in AO 2009 by federer, then in the next 4-5 months, he beat nadal @ miami, took federer to 5 at RG, then beat nadal and federer back-to-back at the USO .... plus borg was more of a dirtballer back then ... He won his first Wimbledon only in 76 ..... Quote:
yes, connors was top 10, but he wasn't in his prime ..... again, how about the players who missed it - smith,newcombe, rosewall, laver ??? 81 players boycotted the event, EIGHTY-ONE , including 13 of the 16 seeds the facts just scream out weak weak weak weak Wimbledon , but then considering Kodes won it, you just can't accept it .... delusional ..
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Becker,Edberg and Sampras would baggel him ( federer ) on fast indoor or grass more often than not. - the one and only kiki Last edited by abmk : 05-05-2012 at 09:31 AM. |
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05-05-2012, 09:40 AM
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regarding monte carlo win, neither orantes nor nastase were in the primes in 70 , they were just rising at that time .... There are easily atleast 60-70 players in the open era alone who are convincingly better than franulovic on clay ...... want me to start listing them ?
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05-05-2012, 09:41 AM
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05-05-2012, 09:47 AM
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Kodes won 3 GS titles.So did Vines.I have heard very good opinions of people about Vines here ( people that didnīt see him, just read papers)
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05-05-2012, 10:04 AM
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Of course , the fact that Vines also won many pro majors just doesn't sink in, does it ?
but then why let facts bother kiki .... 
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05-05-2012, 10:12 AM
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why did you even bring in Vines again anyways ???
Looks like you are some sort of a masochist who enjoys being laughed at and made fun of due to his dumb/ridiculous statements
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05-05-2012, 10:26 AM
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The only negative on Vines was his drop in form in his last year as an amateur in 1933, losing one of the greatest Wimbledon finals of all time against Jack Crawford, and having a shocking Round of 16 loss at the 1933 US Championships against Bryan Grant. Vines turned professional in January 1934 before his stock suffered any further, and his motivation clearly increased a lot in the pros. Vines retired from professional tennis in May 1940 in order to become a professional golfer, winning 2 pro golf tournaments, and he even managed to finish third in the US PGA major in 1951. Last edited by Mustard : 05-05-2012 at 10:36 AM. |
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