Foreigners in College Tennis

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by Delano

I think the problem isn't so much that demand for college scholarships has grown as it is that the supply hasn't kept pace. A huge number of international students are now interested in college scholarships that simply aren't available internationally. So there's only one place to go - the US. Unless the US vastly expands the number of college tennis scholarships, or universities overseas start offering tennis scholarships in large numbers, some Americans who would have had a scholarship in the past will no longer have that opportunity. I'm all for efforts to raise the level of tennis in the US, but I can't see how even a very successful effort would have more than a minor effect on these numbers.

So, it's not that the demand has grown...just that more internationals are now seeking them? Wtf?

[doubleshack]

It's not just tennis....I know a kid who was born and raised in the US. In his first semester at college, he got some poor grades and was not allowed to come back second semester. Yet, this kid from another country who got good grades was allowed to come back, and is now taking a spot that could have been filled by an American. When will the madness end...

[tennismom42]

Here's an analogy:

Sometimes I liked to go fishing in a place that has two stocked fishing ponds. Both ponds are equal size and quality. The owner doesn't care what I catch, so long as I put it on the scale and pay for it. In other words, I pay the same $$$$ amount for every pound of fish meat I catch.

One pond is stocked with the big fish -- these are considered "trophy fish."
The other pond is stocked with regular, legal-sized fish and they are a about 50% the size of the trophy fish. (Comparison: International recruits = trophy, while USA = regular)

(Int'l recruits):
Initially, I wanted to catch big trophy fish. I had my picture taken with it & I verbally bragged about it. It made a good story. But it was costly and I was back in the car quickly.

(USA recruits):
Then I started fishing in the regular-fish pond. Now I could catch twice as many fish, the string of fish makes a nice picture too, and Wow, do they ever put up a big fight! I fish more often, longer and I bring friends.

Hmmmm....Now think tennis recruiting

I just think that if you stock the pond with big fish, you're going to get a big fish (in the round of 16). I think the coaches need to stop ogling for the international recruits that the CANNOT even watch play in person, before recruiting.


Also, it's USA tennis in the USA. Keep in mind that International parents, family and friends are less likely to travel to the USA to watch and support their child's college tennis matches. Whereas, family and friends of USA recruits are more apt and able to attend, support and cheer for USA.

[tball2day]

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[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by tennismom42

Also, it's USA tennis in the USA. Keep in mind that International parents, family and friends are less likely to travel to the USA to watch and support their child's college tennis matches. Whereas, family and friends of USA recruits are more apt and able to attend, support and cheer for USA.

Some call it "support and cheer". Others refer to it as "whining to the coaches". US Parents not being at practice, matches, road trips, etc is more likely a reason to recruit internationally where the coach is less likely to have to listen to the nonsense.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

Some call it "support and cheer". Others refer to it as "whining to the coaches". US Parents not being at practice, matches, road trips, etc is more likely a reason to recruit internationally where the coach is less likely to have to listen to the nonsense.

Amen.

I think I posted it before. Two equal players, one with "one of those parents" from the area, and the other from far away.............far away player gets chosen every time.

Interesting observation a couple of posts ago that training in college to go to the pros = no support after graduation for the school. Wonder how that conclusion was arrived at.

Anyway, my small slice of experience tells me that the few colleges I am familiar with are very happy when their athletes turn pro...........even if they get zero cash donations from any particular pro later.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by tball2day

The one thing I noticed about the article on the recruiting firm in Scotland titled, "Welcome to the and of the Free"...it is clearly stated in the article that the U.S. is great place to come and get a free education and free training that can take you to the pros. That is the marketing pitch of the placement firm, no hiding that. Meaning most players that come here to play have no intention of contributing anything back to the to the school, state, country, etc., when they are done. Take what they can get and get out. No wonder there is a mad rush to get here.

OK. Let's adopt, for the sake of argument, your criterion for granting tennis scholarships: the "intention of contributing anything back to the to the school, state, country, etc., when they are done."

Woo-hoo for the rich. They pay more taxes and have more disposable income for donations to their alma maters. This criterion will help the 1%.

Any of you with kids recently graduated from college, in college, or about to go to college.............try asking them what their intentions are for donating to their school. See how much of a clue they have about their intentions

It is a little ironic to me that foreigners who come to the US for college and then leave are criticized for not staying to pay taxes..............and the ones who do stay are criticized for taking away Amurrrrican jobs!

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by tennismom42

Also, it's USA tennis in the USA. Keep in mind that International parents, family and friends are less likely to travel to the USA to watch and support their child's college tennis matches. Whereas, family and friends of USA recruits are more apt and able to attend, support and cheer for USA.

Maybe this is your experience. It is not mine.

At all the college tennis matches I have attended, family, friends, and just plain ol' fans are rooting for the individual or the team.

I have never been to [any] college athletic event where people are rooting for "USA".

If I were a player or a coach on a college team in any sport, with one or more international players, and a fan........never mind a family member.....was rooting for USA, I would consider that an insult to the team and boorish behavior. I'd feel embarrassed for any player on the team whose parents were doing something like this

[JLyon]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Maybe this is your experience. It is not mine.

At all the college tennis matches I have attended, family, friends, and just plain ol' fans are rooting for the individual or the team.

I have never been to [any] college athletic event where people are rooting for "USA".

If I were a player or a coach on a college team in any sport, with one or more international players, and a fan........never mind a family member.....was rooting for USA, I would consider that an insult to the team and boorish behavior. I'd feel embarrassed for any player on the team whose parents were doing something like this

I agree I know firsthand at the CUSA Women's Tournament there were several players from overseas who had parents or relatives on site watching and the players and fans cheered for their team not whether a player was American or not.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by JLyon

I agree I know firsthand at the CUSA Women's Tournament there were several players from overseas who had parents or relatives on site watching and the players and fans cheered for their team not whether a player was American or not.

OFF-TOPIC WARNING: In CUSA it's all Tulsa and Rice on the women's side, right? Anyone else even close? Memphis?

(On-topic token comment.......Rice has a hot-shot British frosh apparently)

[andfor]

Originally Posted by tennismom42

Also, it's USA tennis in the USA. Keep in mind that International parents, family and friends are less likely to travel to the USA to watch and support their child's college tennis matches. Whereas, family and friends of USA recruits are more apt and able to attend, support and cheer for USA.

This boarders on a Xenophobic view.

Originally Posted by Misterbill

OFF-TOPIC WARNING: In CUSA it's all Tulsa and Rice on the women's side, right? Anyone else even close? Memphis?

(On-topic token comment.......Rice has a hot-shot British frosh apparently)

Memphis lost to Tulsa 3-4 in the Semi's. I believe Memphis is better than Rice, but they never played and I'm biased. Memphis #1 singles player made the NCAA's.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by andfor

This boarders on a Xenophobic view.



Memphis lost to Tulsa 3-4 in the Semi's. I believe Memphis is better than Rice, but they never played and I'm biased. Memphis #1 singles player made the NCAA's.

Tip o' the cap.

Good luck to you in the Big East in 2013, right?

[andfor]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Tip o' the cap.

Good luck to you in the Big East in 2013, right?

That's right. Thanks.

[JLyon]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

OFF-TOPIC WARNING: In CUSA it's all Tulsa and Rice on the women's side, right? Anyone else even close? Memphis?

(On-topic token comment.......Rice has a hot-shot British frosh apparently)

Was more of a 4 team race, Tulsa was much better than the other 3, but Rice, Tulane, and Memphis were all very close together.
Memphis played the match of their season against Tulsa, but lost #1-2 which hurt them, but I understand they have a solid Ukranian coming in next year and a 4* American.

The #1 at Rice is pretty solid, she upset the #9 player 1,3 last weekend in Oxford.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by JLyon

Was more of a 4 team race, Tulsa was much better than the other 3, but Rice, Tulane, and Memphis were all very close together.
Memphis played the match of their season against Tulsa, but lost #1-2 which hurt them, but I understand they have a solid Ukranian coming in next year and a 4* American.

The #1 at Rice is pretty solid, she upset the #9 player 1,3 last weekend in Oxford.

Tulane is in the mix too. Interesting. Just took a look and there are lots of foreigners in CUSA, and a lot of domestic 4-stars and above also.

[JLyon]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Tulane is in the mix too. Interesting. Just took a look and there are lots of foreigners in CUSA, and a lot of domestic 4-stars and above also.

There was a pretty good mix, Tulsa was the only team I noticed with no American players. 2013-14 season will be interesting with the Sun Belt #1-2 Teams coming in as SMU, UH, and Memphis leave.

[bubba maroon]

refuses to allow any men on their men's tennis team.. the team is supported by taxpayer dollars....therefore, you would figure at least one player should be from new york state...seems to me that this is a form of discrimination

[TeflonTom]

Originally Posted by bubba maroon

refuses to allow any men on their men's tennis team.. the team is supported by taxpayer dollars....therefore, you would figure at least one player should be from new york state...seems to me that this is a form of discrimination

seems to me u have nfi what ur talkin bout

[bubba maroon]

The point I am making is how can a state school like SUNY Binghamton not have at least one American on the team

[andfor]

Originally Posted by bubba maroon

The point I am making is how can a state school like SUNY Binghamton not have at least one American on the team

Ask the coach? Ask him how many Americans tennis players he has beating down his door that can actually play and contribute to his team. Then ask him what reaction he typically gets when he approaches American tennis players he's identified as players he wants on his team.