Success on second serve

[abmk]

Originally Posted by kiki

You mean, 33 yrs old Agassi?

yes, a 33 year old agassi who had won the AO that year, was ranked in the top 5 and was in wayyyyyy better form than your crush's best rival 35 year old Rosewall in 69 ...

oh, not to forget a 41 year old Gonzales beating Laver .....

[krosero]

In the 15 matches that Federer and Murray have played, neither player has ever had higher success on second serve than on first serve.

It's interesting how Federer has out-aced Roddick in 14 of 21 matches, but he's out-aced Murray only 3 times:

2006 Cincinnati (6-4)
2008 Masters Cup (11-7)
2010 AO final (11-10)

Murray's success on 1st serve against Federer has been very high (partly due to the aces no doubt). In their '08 Dubai match he broke 90% on 1st serve success (something Federer hasn't done in any of their matches).

And yet in their very next match -- the USO final -- Murray's success on 1st serve was a horrid 51%.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

yes, a 33 year old agassi who had won the AO that year, was ranked in the top 5 and was in wayyyyyy better form than your crush's best rival 35 year old Rosewall in 69 ...

oh, not to forget a 41 year old Gonzales beating Laver .....

Wasn´t it the year Agassi played that legend Di pasquale? or was it another legend, Schuettler?.The fact is AO fields were depleted.Oh¡ Rosewall was in bad shape in 69...in fact, one year older, he won the US Open and reached the Wimbleodn final...Gonzales at 43-44 beat Borg and Connors, so what if he beat laver for a while?

[pc1]

Originally Posted by abmk

yes, a 33 year old agassi who had won the AO that year, was ranked in the top 5 and was in wayyyyyy better form than your crush's best rival 35 year old Rosewall in 69 ...

oh, not to forget a 41 year old Gonzales beating Laver .....

Actually Rosewall had a bad year in 1969. Tony Roche was Laver's top rival that year along with Newcombe and Rosewall. Roche could have had the second best year in tennis in 1969. He was fantastic that year.

Old Pancho Gonzalez could beat anyone. He still had the great serve and on that alone he was tough but Gonzalez, pass age 40 could beat Laver, Ashe, Smith, Connors, Hoad, Emerson. Losing to Gonzalez in his early forties was nothing to be ashamed of.

[kiki]

oh¡¡ don´t let factual data bother ABMK´s colourful and exotic opinions...

[abmk]

Originally Posted by kiki

Wasn´t it the year Agassi played that legend Di pasquale? or was it another legend, Schuettler?.The fact is AO fields were depleted.

no, they weren't...

the roddick-el ayanoui match in the QF was one of the best matches of all time ..

fed-nalby had a good , but up and down match ....

you had hewitt and ferreria in the mix as well ...

not a very strong AO, but not a depleted one either ...

Originally Posted by kiki

Oh¡ Rosewall was in bad shape in 69...in fact, one year older, he won the US Open and reached the Wimbleodn final...Gonzales at 43-44 beat Borg and Connors, so what if he beat laver for a while?

yes, rosewall had relatively bad years in 67 and 69 ... coincidence that laver had his best years then , I think not ...

and agassi at 33 years of age was playing much much better than gonzales at 40-41 years of age ... federer won all matches vs agassi since 2003 and laver lost a few vs gonzales after gonzales turned 37+ and was worse off than agassi at 33-35 ... go figure ..

[abmk]

Originally Posted by pc1

Actually Rosewall had a bad year in 1969. Tony Roche was Laver's top rival that year along with Newcombe and Rosewall. Roche could have had the second best year in tennis in 1969. He was fantastic that year.

Old Pancho Gonzalez could beat anyone. He still had the great serve and on that alone he was tough but Gonzalez, pass age 40 could beat Laver, Ashe, Smith, Connors, Hoad, Emerson. Losing to Gonzalez in his early forties was nothing to be ashamed of.

I actually brought up gonzales because the clueless kiki mentioned agassi's age when I talked about the beatdown fed gave him in the TMC 2003 F ...

fact is agassi at age 33 was still playing excellent tennis, far better than gonzales at age 40+ ...

yet kiki has the nerve to bring up agassi's age when I talked about that impressive beatdown and then goes and hides when someone points out that gonzales at age 40+ beat laver .....

I don't actually think its "shameful" to lose once in a while to an all time great ... even if the all time great is old ..

[abmk]

Originally Posted by kiki

oh¡¡ don´t let factual data bother ABMK´s colourful and exotic opinions...

my opinions are based on facts ..

federer beat agassi every time they faced each other since 2003

gonzales at 37+ beat laver multiple times ...

Deal with it ..

[kiki]

Originally Posted by abmk

no, they weren't...

the roddick-el ayanoui match in the QF was one of the best matches of all time ..

fed-nalby had a good , but up and down match ....

you had hewitt and ferreria in the mix as well ...

not a very strong AO, but not a depleted one either ...



yes, rosewall had relatively bad years in 67 and 69 ... coincidence that laver had his best years then , I think not ...

and agassi at 33 years of age was playing much much better than gonzales at 40-41 years of age ... federer won all matches vs agassi since 2003 and laver lost a few vs gonzales after gonzales turned 37+ and was worse off than agassi at 33-35 ... go figure ..

Roddick-El Aynaoui¡¡¡ Ferreira¡¡¡ Hewitt¡¡¡ just some clues

Roddick is a crappy one timer who just won against little crap Ferrero with all crowds behind me at home.

El Aynaoui, if he gets to know you, he´ll be in debt with you forever since nobody else than you would even remember him

Ferreira, in my dictionary is a sinonym for "Journeymanship" ( middle to high class though)

Hewitt, had to play against ALL TIMER Nalbandian and old, tired and unmotivated Sampras to win a couple of majors in the weakest era of modern times.I still wonder how a bulldog baseliner like him has even be allowed to play under the glorious flag of Australia....

Now, Rosewall miraculously recovered old form a year later, when he was older than in 1969 and yet beat Roche at the USO F ( same Laver, curiously did one year before)

[krosero]

And what does anything of this have to do with the topic of the thread? Aren't there other threads to do this in?

[abmk]

Originally Posted by krosero

And what does anything of this have to do with the topic of the thread? Aren't there other threads to do this in?

you are right, I've replied in the other thread ...Greatest Ground Game of all time

[Moose Malloy]

nadal-monaco

nadal 31-45 1st serve(69%)
15-20 2nd(75%)

really not enjoying the constant bickering between kiki & abmk in so many threads in this section, esp when they often have nothing to do with thread topic.

[krosero]

Federer's success on 1st-serve points in today's loss to Djokovic was just 56%, lower than it has been in any match in their rivalry. It has been higher even in losses that were more one-sided than today's -- like their Dubai final last year (6-3, 6-3 to Novak).

When Federer lost in straights to Djokovic at the AO in '08, he won 70% of his points on 1st serve. When he lost to him in straights again at the AO last year, he was up at 72%.

Today in the second set, Federer dropped to 40% success on 1st serve (46% on second).

[krosero]

Federer served 9 aces today, compared to 18 when he beat Djokovic last year. His highest ace count against Djokovic is 20, in the 2008 USO semi.

When they went five sets at the USO in 2010, he served 11 aces. When they went five sets again at last year's USO, he served 12.

[Moose Malloy]

Federer-Raonic Halle

Federer
1st serve pts won 53-65(82%)
2nd serve pts won 24-29(83%)

[Moose Malloy]

Djokovic vs Harrison today

76 1st serve
82 2nd serve

[Moose Malloy]

Serena vs Zheng

Serena
80% 1st serve
84% 2nd serve

[Moose Malloy]

Seppi vs Young

Seppi
75% 1st serve
83% 2nd serve

[Moose Malloy]

Tsonga vs Bellucci

Bellucci
67% 1st serve
72% 2nd serve

[Moose Malloy]

Serena-Zvonareva

Zvonareva
27% 1st serve
50% 2nd serve