Wealthy Families and Scholarships

[ollinger]

If scholarships were only intended to help students pay for an education, then scholarships to the wealthy would of course make not sense. But scholarships are for the school as well, a recruitment tool to craft the student body the school wants, so giving money to those who don't truly need it is readily justifiable, though certainly one imagines most financial aid should go and does go to the needy.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

http://gifrific.com/p-diddy-makes-it-rain/

Sorry, I can't stop myself from posting on this thread

There is, at least, one reader who is happy about this. And is amused and informed. Any more links up your sleeve?

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

There is, at least, one reader who is happy about this. And is amused and informed. Any more links up your sleeve?

http://www.closeronline.co.uk/Showbi...the-crowd.aspx

I wouldn't say I'm happy about the story. I think UCLA is totally cool to offer a scholly to anyone they feel can add to their team.

But, if Diddys son accepts it, when his dad is throwing cash into crowds at parties....c'mon. Just take the roster spot and decline the scholly.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

http://www.closeronline.co.uk/Showbi...the-crowd.aspx

I wouldn't say I'm happy about the story. I think UCLA is totally cool to offer a scholly to anyone they feel can add to their team.

But, if Diddys son accepts it, when his dad is throwing cash into crowds at parties....c'mon. Just take the roster spot and decline the scholly.

.......happy that you "can't stop myself from posting on this thread"

[Bartelby]

Not the slightest trace of guilt in my statement. A paycheck is quite different from a scholarship at many levels.

Originally Posted by ClarkC

The same could be said of paychecks. If you are feeling guilty and need to give away some paychecks, I have bills to pay and will gladly help alleviate your guilt.

[ClarkC]

Originally Posted by Bartelby

Not the slightest trace of guilt in my statement. A paycheck is quite different from a scholarship at many levels.

Please provide more details of the differences.

[floridatennisdude]

Hey, anyone out there can help me put my kid through college?
http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/...52-16gl454.jpg

[10ismom]

Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

Hey, anyone out there can help me put my kid through college?
http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/...52-16gl454.jpg

Go see his concert!

[goober]

Originally Posted by tennisjon

One huge difference between football and tennis is that most if not all starters on the team will have a full ride in football, but in tennis there are only 4 scholarships for men and that needs to be divided amongst the team.

Actually all the starters, the second string, third string and practice squad have full rides. Last time I checked it was 85 full rides. That's why there are so many men's sports cut or greatly reduced in number of scholies.

[Satsuma Illini]

Originally Posted by goober

Actually all the starters, the second string, third string and practice squad have full rides. Last time I checked it was 85 full rides. That's why there are so many men's sports cut or greatly reduced in number of scholies.

So...football is the Evil Empire of college sports, devouring everything? Would tennis even have 4 scholarships without football? Revies vs. Nonrevies debate.

[goober]

Originally Posted by Satsuma Illini

So...football is the Evil Empire of college sports, devouring everything? Would tennis even have 4 scholarships without football? Revies vs. Nonrevies debate.

Well this is not the place to really get into this but as the has been talked about in other threads ad nauseaum, in order to comply with title IX, there is no way you can have 85 scholies for football without major cuts in mens programs to have an equal number of womens scholies. Tennis is actually lucky it gets any scholies on the mens side as many programs in mens wrestling, gymnastics, swimming and most olympic type sports were cut altogether at many schools.

[ClarkC]

Originally Posted by goober

Actually all the starters, the second string, third string and practice squad have full rides. Last time I checked it was 85 full rides. That's why there are so many men's sports cut or greatly reduced in number of scholies.

Originally Posted by goober

Well this is not the place to really get into this but as the has been talked about in other threads ad nauseaum, in order to comply with title IX, there is no way you can have 85 scholies for football without major cuts in mens programs to have an equal number of womens scholies. Tennis is actually lucky it gets any scholies on the mens side as many programs in mens wrestling, gymnastics, swimming and most olympic type sports were cut altogether at many schools.

Many men's football teams used to have well over 100 scholarships. Now that they have been reduced to 85, I don't know that I can blame football for all the program cuts in men's gymnastics, volleyball, etc. There is not just a single factor, but Title IX interpretations and applications are obviously the primary factor.

it's certainly debatable. but I say it's okay.

[Satsuma Illini]

Originally Posted by goober

Well this is not the place to really get into this but as the has been talked about in other threads ad nauseaum, in order to comply with title IX, there is no way you can have 85 scholies for football without major cuts in mens programs to have an equal number of womens scholies. Tennis is actually lucky it gets any scholies on the mens side as many programs in mens wrestling, gymnastics, swimming and most olympic type sports were cut altogether at many schools.

Yeah, I didn't really mean to open up that old can of worms again. Just stating the status quo. I love football! Better than basketball anyway.

[PennAlum]

Well if he is a 2 star recruit he does not deserve an athletic scholarship and a 3.75 is also not deserving of an academic scholarship. UCLA is probably proffering it as a quid pro quo and expecting to get P. Diddy donations in the future. The only admirable and gracious thing to do is decline the scholarship and suggest that it can now go to families with financial need. Let's see...

[goober]

Originally Posted by PennAlum

Well if he is a 2 star recruit he does not deserve an athletic scholarship and a 3.75 is also not deserving of an academic scholarship. UCLA is probably proffering it as a quid pro quo and expecting to get P. Diddy donations in the future. The only admirable and gracious thing to do is decline the scholarship and suggest that it can now go to families with financial need. Let's see...

2 star recruits do get scholies to D1 programs in football. Football is not like tennis as far as recruiting. There are about 20 5 star recruits or so per year and most schools have 15-25 scholies to give. With over a 100 D1 schools, you cannot fill your class with 5 star players or even 4 star players. Even the top schools in the BCS conferences will take 3 star players. Average BCS schools which UCLA falls into will take more 3 star players and a handful of 2 star players per year. Lower D1 schools like in the Mountain West or conference USA will give out a lot of scholies to 2 star players.

So being a 2 star doesn't necessarily mean that he does not deserve a scholie based on talent. There have been some very good college players that were 2 star rated out of high school. In tennis unless you are blue chip or 5 star you have zero chance at the pros- even then your chances are slim. In football your star rating has some correlation with pro potential but a rather weak one. Aaron Rodgers one of the best QBs in the NFL had 0 stars coming out of high school and there are many NFL players that had 0-2 star ratings from high school.

Justin Combs did get offers from Virgina, Illinois and some other low level D1 programs, so I would give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually UCLA will offer scholies to 2 star recruits that they have scouted in person. Justin Combs went to a prep school in NY, so part of me wonders if he was the exact same player but name Justin Baker with a nonfamous father, would they have offered a 2 star recruit from the other side of the country? Probably not- but that doesn't mean he can't play.

[MeggieTennisGal]

Scholarships are helpful when it comes to applying for awards for, e.g., Rhodes or Fulbright Scholarships. I think it's best for the athlete to take the reward and, if the rich parent is so inclined, he or she can establish another scholarship fund for other kids. Also, having a rich parent doesn't mean that parent is going to pay for a parent to go through college. My parents were wealthy, but told me I was on my own for college. They didn't think college education for girls was worth paying for (this was some years back).

[MeggieTennisGal]

Originally Posted by MeggieTennisGal

Also, having a rich parent doesn't mean that parent is going to pay for a parent to go through college.

Ooops, I mean "is going to pay for a CHILD to go through college."

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by MeggieTennisGal

Scholarships are helpful when it comes to applying for awards for, e.g., Rhodes or Fulbright Scholarships. I think it's best for the athlete to take the reward and, if the rich parent is so inclined, he or she can establish another scholarship fund for other kids. Also, having a rich parent doesn't mean that parent is going to pay for a parent to go through college. My parents were wealthy, but told me I was on my own for college. They didn't think college education for girls was worth paying for (this was some years back).

Did your dad and his boys "Make it rain" at a concert with a million dollars cash being tossed to the fans? Did he buy you a $360k car on your 16th birthday? Is he on a Forbes Celebrity list touting his net worth to be approaching $1 billion?

We aren't talking about the hard working businessman. We are talking about the uber wealthy that show it off to the world.

[goober]

ok Jim Mora is getting out of hand. Justin Combs was at least a D1 prospect at least a low level. Now UCLA has offered Snoop Dog's son who has only played one year of football and is a sophomoreThat's crazy. Even the top 5 star prospects don't get offers as sophmores.