Roddick Discussion

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Originally Posted by droliver

This is kind of silly discussion. While I cannot stand watching him play, he was a consistent top 5-10 player for a decade and won 30 titles in an era running up against 5 of the best players of the open era at the bookends (Sampras, Agassi, Fed, Nole, Nadal).

He has an all time great serve, and forehand that was among the biggest on tour for a few seasons. That will make you a threat to win majors in any era, irrespective of other limitations of your game (and his has many). If you move him back 10 years in time, I'd wager he wins more then one major (probably the US or Australian) and would have been firmly in the top 5.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Roddick fan, thus the point of this whole thread, to think about the different possibilities for his return to the top of the game.

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oh... Roddick could break back to the top 25 granted that he wins tomorrow and makes it to at least the QF of SW19

[Qubax]

If Roddick beats Ferrer in round 3 he'd have to play DelPo in Round 4. That's a tough one.

[FD3S]

Originally Posted by Qubax

If Roddick beats Ferrer in round 3 he'd have to play DelPo in Round 4. That's a tough one.

Dunno, I actually think that Delpo would be an easier match then Ferrer, assuming he makes it that far. Couple Del Potro's relatively suspect grass movement with Roddick's serve, consistency and rather underrated slice, he'd be in for a tougher time than on hard or clay.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by FD3S

Dunno, I actually think that Delpo would be an easier match then Ferrer, assuming he makes it that far. Couple Del Potro's relatively suspect grass movement with Roddick's serve, consistency and rather underrated slice, he'd be in for a tougher time than on hard or clay.

Yeah I reckon roddick has a decent draw and a good shot at a QF appearance. His toughest match would probably be Ferrer, I don't even know if delpo can manage to get to the 4th round unless he's really gotten used to grass.

Roddick would then have to play murray in the QF, but murray has a nightmare draw: davydenko, karlovic, then baghy/anderson/dimitrov/montanes, then probably raonic.

If roddick somehow managed to get to the SF he'd be up against Nadal. I'm picking Nadal to win the whole thing, I don't see roddick beating him. (corrected)

Roddick's dream come true would be a djokovic final, he's 5-3 against djokovic and 3-21 against federer so I would imagine Andy would prefer to see novak on the other side of the net.

So he had that 09 run to the final, god I sometimes think about that final, poor roddick. in 10 he lost to Lu from taiwan and last year he lost to Flopez who was playing pretty well.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by vandre

he's seeded 30 at wimbledon (which is 3 spots higher than his current ranking). i haven't seen his draw but i'd think he's alot better off seeded. he's really close to the bubble on being seeded though so he needs to do something at wimbledon (+ the uso series) to help his ranking so he's seeded at the uso.

realistically, roddick has to go deeper than the 3rd round at wimbledon (last year's result) to make any headway.

Yeah and that third round is most likely going to be Ferrer which is a tough match. Last year ferrer lost to tsonga who was playing lights out. in 2010 ferrer lost to soderling, soderling lost to eventual champion nadal in 4 sets. So legitimate heavyweights. I wouldn't really call Roddick a heavyweight anymore, he tends to go for angles with his forehand rather than trying to hit through guys.

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Eastbourne final starts in 10 minutes, this should be interesting

[NamRanger]

Originally Posted by monique s

But in all those years, Andy must have done something right.He has 1 Slam 5 Masters and 30 titles and 5 doubles titles.

He won his major titles mostly while playing an extremely aggressive game.

he has a great chance to get to the quarters. his draw was about as good as it could possibly be with ferrer in 3rd and delpo in the round of 16s. he could not ask for a better draw than that. Murray in the quarters is also a gift from the heavens. So Arod has nothing to complain about and could easily make a run to to the final 8.

Originally Posted by aceX

Yeah I reckon roddick has a decent draw and a good shot at a QF appearance. His toughest match would probably be Ferrer, I don't even know if delpo can manage to get to the 4th round unless he's really gotten used to grass.

Roddick would then have to play murray in the QF, but murray has a nightmare draw: davydenko, karlovic, then baghy/anderson/dimitrov/montanes, then probably raonic.

If roddick somehow managed to get to the SF he'd be up against Nadal. I'm picking Nadal to win the whole thing, I don't see him beating roddick.

Roddick's dream come true would be a djokovic final, he's 5-3 against djokovic and 3-21 against federer so I would imagine Andy would prefer to see novak on the other side of the net.

So he had that 09 run to the final, god I sometimes think about that final, poor roddick. in 10 he lost to Lu from taiwan and last year he lost to Flopez who was playing pretty well.

I think you're on to the idea that he has a fantastic draw. but you took the idea to an insane exaggeration by placing him in the final with a chance to win it all. Nadal thrashed him on Fast US Open court. It was a brutal beating. Roddick has low confidence and Nadal has the game on grass to administer a similar beating to him in London. But if Murray gets to the final 8 he beats Arod in 3. djok would view roddick in the wimby final at this stage of his career as J P Mcenroe saw Chris Lewis when he made it all the way to the final.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by decades

he has a great chance to get to the quarters. his draw was about as good as it could possibly be with Ferrer in the round of 16s. he could not ask for a better draw than that. Murray in the quarters is also a gift from the heavens. So Arod has nothing to complain about and could easily make a run to to the final 8.

I beg your pardon. Murray has an overall 8-3 H2H v Roddick and they are 1-1 at Wimbledon. Not quite the gift-wrapped present for A-Rod is he??

Originally Posted by Mainad

I beg your pardon. Murray has an overall 8-3 H2H v Roddick and they are 1-1 at Wimbledon. Not quite the gift-wrapped present for A-Rod is he??

compared to who he could have gotten...fed nadal djok it was a gift. roddick got the best draw he could have wished for. it couldn't have been better had he drew it up himself.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by decades

compared to who he could have gotten...fed nadal djok it was a gift. roddick got the best draw he could have wished for. it couldn't have been better had he drew it up himself.

Well, I guess anyone would prefer to have to play the world #4 rather than # 1,2 & 3 but that doesn't exactly mean it's a gift does it, not with the H2H I just mentioned.

Just to emphasise my point, I should add that Murray is 2-1 v Roddick on grass.
Some gift!

Originally Posted by Mainad

Well, I guess anyone would prefer to have to play the world #4 rather than # 1,2 & 3 but that doesn't exactly mean it's a gift does it, not with the H2H I just mentioned.

Just to emphasise my point, I should add that Murray is 2-1 v Roddick on grass.
Some gift!

it's a gift if you are seeded as low as roddick is. at his seeding, in quarters he must come up against 1-4 I believe. He got #4. nadal djok or fed would each be tougher match ups. I agree with you though that Murray would be the heavy favorite in the match.

[NamRanger]

Originally Posted by decades

I think you're on to the idea that he has a fantastic draw. but you took the idea to an insane exaggeration by placing him in the final with a chance to win it all. Nadal thrashed him on Fast US Open court. It was a brutal beating. Roddick has low confidence and Nadal has the game on grass to administer a similar beating to him in London. But if Murray gets to the final 8 he beats Arod in 3. djok would view roddick in the wimby final at this stage of his career as J P Mcenroe saw Chris Lewis when he made it all the way to the final.

LOL.


Roddick was DEAD tired from being not physically match fit (injuries) and having to get into a 5 set battle against Ferrer just the day before. Please. Everyone knew Roddick was a massive underdog from the start, his level of play wasn't that good and everyone knew he wasn't going to be fresh. The only thing we could have hoped for was for him to swing wildly and get lucky.


If Roddick somehow pulled out a rabbit out of a hat and returned to near peak level status, Nadal would not want to face Roddick. He knows that Roddick has the serve, the power, and the tenacity to stay with him in a close match.

[aceX]

Originally Posted by decades

I think you're on to the idea that he has a fantastic draw. but you took the idea to an insane exaggeration by placing him in the final with a chance to win it all. Nadal thrashed him on Fast US Open court. It was a brutal beating. Roddick has low confidence and Nadal has the game on grass to administer a similar beating to him in London. But if Murray gets to the final 8 he beats Arod in 3. djok would view roddick in the wimby final at this stage of his career as J P Mcenroe saw Chris Lewis when he made it all the way to the final.

Oh for sure it was an exaggeration, but if we're going to speculate we might as well go the whole hog. Road to the finals, baby!

Originally Posted by NamRanger

LOL.


Roddick was DEAD tired from being not physically match fit (injuries) and having to get into a 5 set battle against Ferrer just the day before. Please. Everyone knew Roddick was a massive underdog from the start, his level of play wasn't that good and everyone knew he wasn't going to be fresh. The only thing we could have hoped for was for him to swing wildly and get lucky.


If Roddick somehow pulled out a rabbit out of a hat and returned to near peak level status, Nadal would not want to face Roddick. He knows that Roddick has the serve, the power, and the tenacity to stay with him in a close match.

so if only andy was not old, slow, injured, and tired, he might be able to beat Nadal? I am not one for excuses. bottom line, he really got thrashed by rafa. payback for what Andy did to him when he was 17.

[NamRanger]

Originally Posted by decades

so if only andy was not old, slow, injured, and tired, he might be able to beat Nadal? I am not one for excuses. bottom line, he really got thrashed by rafa. payback for what Andy did to him when he was 17.

Roddick not even at his pinnacle best was able to best Nadal at Miami and Dubai, while also playing relatively close matches all around throughout their relatively small H2H. Their only grass match was Nadal at his pinnacle level of play, coming off a supreme claycourt sweep, and proceeding to both win Queens and Wimbledon. And in that match, it was decided by nothing more than a few points, and that's with Roddick coming off an abysmal start and absolutely no form going into Wimbledon.

Even the most adamant of Nadal fans knows that if Nadal were to face Roddick actually playing well, it would be a complete dog fight from the first point. Roddick fights to the bitter end, no matter what the circumstances. If he's playing well and healthy, he's one of the few players with enough mental fortitude and a big enough weapon in his serve to give Nadal trouble across every surface but clay. Also, unlike Federer who is both stubborn and has a huge mental block against Nadal, he also plays Nadal the CORRECT way most of the time. He does not attempt to engage in long rallies, and he doesn't try to beat Nadal from the back of the court by trying to out position or out manuvure Nadal. When they have faced off, Roddick usually just tries to go right through Nadal with his serve and forehand.

[axel89]

Originally Posted by NamRanger

Roddick not even at his pinnacle best was able to best Nadal at Miami and Dubai, while also playing relatively close matches all around throughout their relatively small H2H. Their only grass match was Nadal at his pinnacle level of play, coming off a supreme claycourt sweep, and proceeding to both win Queens and Wimbledon. And in that match, it was decided by nothing more than a few points, and that's with Roddick coming off an abysmal start and absolutely no form going into Wimbledon.

Even the most adamant of Nadal fans knows that if Nadal were to face Roddick actually playing well, it would be a complete dog fight from the first point. Roddick fights to the bitter end, no matter what the circumstances. If he's playing well and healthy, he's one of the few players with enough mental fortitude and a big enough weapon in his serve to give Nadal trouble across every surface but clay. Also, unlike Federer who is both stubborn and has a huge mental block against Nadal, he also plays Nadal the CORRECT way most of the time. He does not attempt to engage in long rallies, and he doesn't try to beat Nadal from the back of the court by trying to out position or out manuvure Nadal. When they have faced off, Roddick usually just tries to go right through Nadal with his serve and forehand.

Andy is fit for sure and it was 4 sets not 5 sets Andy's gameplan was dumb also!

[tudwell]

Originally Posted by decades

compared to who he could have gotten...fed nadal djok it was a gift. roddick got the best draw he could have wished for. it couldn't have been better had he drew it up himself.

Roddick leads Djokovic 5-3. No idea why, but Djokovic really struggles with Roddick, and ALL of Roddick's victories came after Djokovic was a slam champion.

So one could argue that Djokovic would've been the best quarterfinal for Roddick to draw.