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Old 06-28-2012, 10:47 AM   #43981
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"... it's not telling people to buy a certain thing, just to have a certain thing..."

W.T.F.
you don't have to buy it. you'll just pay extra when you do need medical care and without insurance. not much different than your car insurance.
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:55 AM   #43982
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It is different than car insurance. I pay car insurance because I chose to have a car and drive it.

This penalizes me for something I don't have. I need health insurance because why? I have a body?
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:02 AM   #43983
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hmm yes. but it doesn't penalize you but rather offers some deductions IMO.

for example, i've already seen many more allergy pills which has generic counter parts. i've been able to reduce my monthly allergy medication by quite a bit.


edit.. you CAN opt out. but will have to pay if you need to pick up insurance to seek medical care. <---makes sense to me.

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Old 06-28-2012, 11:11 AM   #43984
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hmm yes. but it doesn't penalize you but rather offers some deductions IMO.

for example, i've already seen many more allergy pills which has generic counter parts. i've been able to reduce my monthly allergy medication by quite a bit.


edit.. you CAN opt out. but will have to pay if you need to pick up insurance to seek medical care. <---makes sense to me.
No it doesnt.

Eff amking sense .Obvioulsy if you were a millionire like me you would be mad that you have to account for another.9% in taxes to cheat on.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:16 AM   #43985
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No it doesnt.

Eff amking sense .Obvioulsy if you were a millionire like me you would be mad that you have to account for another.9% in taxes to cheat on.
this is exactly the thought process that keeps glen beck on tv. republicans will loose this election as an result and i'm not even a democrat
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:17 AM   #43986
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edit.. you CAN opt out. but will have to pay if you need to pick up insurance to seek medical care. <---makes sense to me.
Exactly, why am I penalized (by the government) for deciding to opt out of something?
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:28 AM   #43987
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this is exactly the thought process that keeps glen beck on tv. republicans will loose this election as an result and i'm not even a democrat
This one might be too close to call. Don't think either side could claim to have this election on lock.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:29 AM   #43988
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no, you will be penalized if you WERE to pick up insurance to seek immediate medical attention. of course you can always just take out your credit card and charge the whole thing yourself. it's like i know my car is going to break down next month so i'm going to buy extended warranty on my engine without paying for the regular warranty beforehand.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:36 AM   #43989
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On the thing you posted, it said there was a penalty if you opt out. It said if everyone just waited until they needed insurance nobody would have it, hence this penalty.

Bottom line, if the government said everyone had to give me tennis rackets or else, I would still think it was ********.

Now give me your f***ing Ti Radical!
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:38 AM   #43990
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Also, your car analogy is no good... that is a deal between you and a private company. The government doesn't come in and say you also owes money because you didn't get the warranty.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:43 AM   #43991
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i'm not going to try to sway you on way or the other. i just want some facts on the table before all the nays and yays.. on to happier things.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/shorties/danny-dyer-on-acid

oh and the ti radical is made in austria or australia... i forgot.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:00 PM   #43992
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returning to normal programming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yowsa...ature=youtu.be
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:01 PM   #43993
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ah ok thanks mikeler
i tie parnell knots for everything, is this kosher?

I use double half hitch knots.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:03 PM   #43994
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Sappy was this you? I know you like to hang out in the hood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBHK-...e_gdata_player
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:41 PM   #43995
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Getting away from politics (not worth straining friendships over), anyone watching the Nadal-Rosol match? It's a gud un.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:53 PM   #43996
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Hey Zap. What's up? Did you get my email the other day?
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:55 PM   #43997
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Just got my NYC from TW. swings really nice.

drool drool nudge nudge tweak tweak.

what string to put on? *evil brain working again*
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:33 PM   #43998
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No it doesnt.

Eff amking sense .Obvioulsy if you were a millionire like me you would be mad that you have to account for another.9% in taxes to cheat on.
Cheat on???

You mean...millionaire?
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:42 PM   #43999
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I came late to the party, so I'm opening the can of worms again.

Health care needs reform. Period.

I have no insurance. I have tried, several times. Cobra was way too expensive. Any other plan I applied for (which I could afford) denied me for pre-existing conditions. Such as...about 8 years ago I had two moles removed on my back. Nothing was wrong, they were benign, but they irritated me and, since I spend a fair amount of time in the sun, I thought it best to have them removed.

When I applied, I got a phone call, first asking me about the procedure (which I had completely forgotten about) and then practically accusing me of lying about having had skin cancer.

Same company also used my one and only UTI as a reason to deny me coverage. UTIs are VERY VERY VERY common, especially in women. The fact that I've had only one in my life is somewhat of a miracle.

I also have an endocrine disorder for which I take no medication and really have been asymptomatic for about 6 or so years. DENIED.

Do I deserve to have coverage? What do you think Hollywood? Because to me it sounds like you think affordable health care is a bad idea? I'm not a slacker...I work and go to school. Shouldn't I have coverage if something happens to me???

And, before anyone asks, no, NOVA doesn't offer health care to their students, but they recommend a few companies. They thing that is biting me in the arse of course, is pre-existing condition (which thankfully won't be an issue in a few years). A fellow student told me about 'bridge' insurance from Kaiser, but they are no longer accepting applications.

I'm considering Medicaid, but I'm not sure if I will qualify. I've looked into PCIP, as well, but it is kind of pricey for me, too.
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:44 PM   #44000
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That's sort of the plan right? Not to make waves. With people in a panic about the Gov taking away their healthcare, the law was designed so the if you have coverage, you basically would not see any changes while providing coverage for the uninsured who may not get coverage under medicare or medicaid.

Personally speaking, sections of the law that eliminate restrictions on pre-existing conditions, extending insurance to my daughter past the age of 18 (if needed), requiring that 80% of premiums go towards healthcare instead "admin costs", and increased competition for my healthcare dollars outside of what's offered by my employer could prove beneficial.

Not perfect but some important improvements.
Well said Striker.
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