It's generally agreed that Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977

5555 · 07-20-2012, 12:45 AM

Bud Collins summarized it this way in his record book of tennis:

"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.”

Limpinhitter · 07-20-2012, 03:46 AM

I miss World Tennis Magazine. THAT was a real tennis magazine. They declared Becker year end #1 after he won Wimbledon and the USO in 1989, correctly notifying the ATP, which had Lendl ranked year end #1, that their ranking system was facaktin.

jean pierre · 07-20-2012, 09:13 AM

There is already a lot of threads about this question. And it's generally agreed that Vilas was the real n°1. It's an evidence. He won 16 tournaments (record), 2 Grand Slams, and 46 matches consecutively (record).

Mustard · 07-20-2012, 10:09 AM

Nope. It's Vilas.

hoodjem · 07-20-2012, 10:13 AM

It would seem that there is little "general agreement" here.

It appears (to me) that the opinions are 50% for Vilas, 40% for Borg, and 10% for Connors (if that much).

jean pierre · 07-20-2012, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

It would seem that there is little "general agreement" here.

It appears (to me) that the opinions are 50% for Vilas, 40% for Borg, and 10% for Connors (if that much).

78% Vilas :
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...ight=poll+1977

jean pierre · 07-20-2012, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoodjem

It would seem that there is little "general agreement" here.

It appears (to me) that the opinions are 50% for Vilas, 40% for Borg, and 10% for Connors (if that much).

56% Vilas :
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showt...ight=poll+1977

pc1 · 07-20-2012, 12:39 PM

Two questions to be asked for 1977-Who had the best year?

Who was the best player? Could be two different answers.

I believe Borg was the best player but who had the best year.

sandy mayer · 07-20-2012, 03:10 PM

I reckon Connors was still the best player in 1977 and that Borg only overtook him in 78, but that Vilas had the best year and deserved to be considered number one for the year.

pc1 · 07-20-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sandy mayer

I reckon Connors was still the best player in 1977 and that Borg only overtook him in 78, but that Vilas had the best year and deserved to be considered number one for the year.

Borg beat Connors at Wimbledon that year and at the Pepsi. Connors won the Masters over Borg that year.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/...=B058&oId=C044

Mustard · 07-20-2012, 04:13 PM

The Masters was held in January 1978.

pc1 · 07-20-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustard

The Masters was held in January 1978.

Yes but it's considered part of the 1977 season and is one of the things considered which they evaluated number one for 1977. I guess the best analogy is that the Super Bowl is held the next year but is considered a part of the previous year's NFL season.

But I did write that year which is technically incorrect. My bad. I should have wrote that season.

Mustard · 07-20-2012, 06:07 PM

In 1977, Vilas won 16 tournaments, which included 2 majors, and won 72 of his last 73 matches of the year. Borg just doesn't have these numbers in 1977. Vilas is therefore number 1 for 1977.

timnz · 07-20-2012, 06:09 PM

When people feel that end of year rankings have got it wrong, it usually when do a comparison on how players did at the slams and perhaps the season end finals. The issue I fee could be resolved by making the slams relatively more point laden. I feel the slams should be 3 times the ranking value of masters 1000s.

Imagine if someone won cincinati and montreal one year should they feel as satisfied as someone winning wimbledon?

BauerAlmeida · 07-20-2012, 06:52 PM

Vilas was.

Although someone could think it was Borg. But it sure wasn't Connors.

DMan · 07-20-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 5555

Bud Collins summarized it this way in his record book of tennis:

"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.”

Even though Connors was ranked #1 by the ATP Computer. Not that I agree with that!

smoledman · 07-20-2012, 11:31 PM

His playing record for 1977 was 145 wins against 15 losses (ATP win-loss record was 130–15).

jean pierre · 07-21-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by smoledman

His playing record for 1977 was 145 wins against 15 losses (ATP win-loss record was 130–15).

And he won 46 matches consecutively, which is the record. Djokovic won 43 in 2011, but was beaten by Federer in FO.

5555 · 07-21-2012, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jean pierre

And it's generally agreed that Vilas was the real n°1.

Most experts said that Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977. It means it's generally agreed that Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977.

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Originally Posted by hoodjem

It would seem that there is little "general agreement" here.

It's irrelevant is there general agreement among non-experts. Can you provide a reliable source which says that there general agreement among experts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jean pierre

And he won 46 matches consecutively, which is the record. Djokovic won 43 in 2011, but was beaten by Federer in FO.

Djokovic has nothing to do with the topic. Your post is a troll.

jean pierre · 07-21-2012, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 5555

Most experts said that Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977. It means it's generally agreed that Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977.

It's irrelevant is there general agreement among non-experts. Can you provide a reliable source which says that there general agreement among experts?

Djokovic has nothing to do with the topic. Your post is a troll.

What is an "expert" ? Is there a diploma ?
Word Tennis, Tennis de France, Le livre d'or du tennis, Michel Sutter, Eugene L. Scott were not experts ?

07-20-2012, 10:13 AM	#5
hoodjem Legend Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bierlandt Posts: 9,957	It would seem that there is little "general agreement" here. It appears (to me) that the opinions are 50% for Vilas, 40% for Borg, and 10% for Connors (if that much). __________________ The smart man thinks he knows a lot; the wise man is aware that he knows little.

07-20-2012, 06:07 PM	#13
Mustard G.O.A.T. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 18,386	In 1977, Vilas won 16 tournaments, which included 2 majors, and won 72 of his last 73 matches of the year. Borg just doesn't have these numbers in 1977. Vilas is therefore number 1 for 1977. Last edited by Mustard : 07-20-2012 at 06:27 PM.

07-20-2012, 06:09 PM	#14
timnz Hall Of Fame Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,626	Ranking discepancies easily resolved When people feel that end of year rankings have got it wrong, it usually when do a comparison on how players did at the slams and perhaps the season end finals. The issue I fee could be resolved by making the slams relatively more point laden. I feel the slams should be 3 times the ranking value of masters 1000s. Imagine if someone won cincinati and montreal one year should they feel as satisfied as someone winning wimbledon?

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BauerAlmeida Semi-Pro Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Argentina Posts: 566	Vilas was. Although someone could think it was Borg. But it sure wasn't Connors. __________________ There's no Dark Side of the Moon really, matter of fact it's all dark.

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