The Dark Knight Rises stuff (spoilers) - Page 5

tricky · 07-25-2012, 09:23 PM

I thought the first 1/3 of the plot was a bit languid and diffuse. In retrospect, it was necessary to fold in the different storylines and many, many supporting characters. Dark Knight Rises is plotted more like a TV miniseries, than a 3-act movie.

Aggro · 07-25-2012, 11:37 PM

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Another thing I thought of, how did Bane know bruce was batman right off the bat (no pun intended)? was this mentioned in the movie? and from then on out, selina knows that bruce is batman, correct?

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Re-watch the first one, and you'll understand. Bruce was a member of the League of Shadows, and once he decided to leave and fight the league in their quest to fall Gotham, Once Bruce left, Ra's decided to take the protector of his daughter into the League and train him. Bane knew Bruce's identity because Ra's told him.

Actually - from the film when Gordon went into the sewer and was captured by Bane's men, he read the speech Gordon wrote about Harvey Dent and Batman and worked out who was the Batman. This relates to the comics where Bane deduces who is the Batman in a matter of months.

EKnee08 · 07-26-2012, 04:28 AM

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I actually didn't walk out cause I thought my wife wanted to stay. Ironically, she didn't leave cause she thought I wanted to stay.

I understand the feeling although unlike you, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie since I grew up with Batman in the 1960s. I feel that any movie in the Nolan trilogy (BB, TDK, TDKR) is better than all other superhero movies ever made.
BTW, I was dragged to the original Harry Potter movie by a group of friends not knowing anything about it. For me, that movie was pure torture. At the end of the movie, when we left the theatre and we discussed the movie, we all yelled at each other how much we hated the movie. We all wanted to walk out but we didn't realize that everyone else felt the same way. I learned a lesson that day to just walk out. LOL.

Bartelby · 07-26-2012, 04:31 AM

Anyone seen it on imax? - apparently an hour was shot for imax so it benefits considerably from a proper viewing.

siowmotion · 07-26-2012, 07:40 AM

Saw it once and going to see it again, but I felt the movie was rushed. Really hard to follow everything that is going on. Also had to take my cousin to the bathroom at the scene near the end but why did Batman commit suicide with the bomb when he had the auto polite? I thought it had to do the HD's quote from TDK "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villian"

For me right now TDK>TDKR

EKnee08 · 07-26-2012, 07:56 AM

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Saw it once and going to see it again, but I felt the movie was rushed. Really hard to follow everything that is going on. Also had to take my cousin to the bathroom at the scene near the end but why did Batman commit suicide with the bomb when he had the auto polite? I thought it had to do the HD's quote from TDK "You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villian"

For me right now TDK>TDKR

Did you see the very end of the movie (the scenes after he took the "Bat" over the ocean)? If not, and if you are going to see the movie again, I do not want to give anything away. If you saw the whole, entire movie, then I can easily answer your question but I do not want to spoil anything if you did not see the very end.

Again ,TDK and TDKR are very different movies. TDKR relates much more to the first movie in the trilogy, BB. Did you see BB? If not, rent it before you see TDKR again.

EKnee08 · 07-26-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Aggro

Actually - from the film when Gordon went into the sewer and was captured by Bane's men, he read the speech Gordon wrote about Harvey Dent and Batman and worked out who was the Batman. This relates to the comics where Bane deduces who is the Batman in a matter of months.

Yes, that is a good theory but keep in mind that the characters and events in the trilogy do not exactly follow the comics.
I don't think Bane deduced Batman's secret identity from the text of Gordon's unread speech. Gordon, himself did not know who the Batman was until Batman made a reference to the incident in BB (not specifically referring to the scene for those who have not seen either BB or TDKR yet).

I don't think any of the characters realized BW was Batman merely because the Batman "went into hiding" and disappeared after Dent's death was blamed on him. Remember, BW becoming a recluse related to the death of his love and childhood friend, Rachel Dawes by the Joker and indirectly by the Batman by saving HD instead of her.

It is clear that Talia and Bane had at one time been in the LOS (in the Trilogy) before the death of Ra's al Ghul although Bane had been excommunicated at that time. Ra's al Ghul and his army knew Bruce Wayne was the Batman (see the scene in BB where Ra's al Ghul and some of his army attend Bruce's birthday party. Ra's al Ghul makes his presence known to Bruce by having an elderly guest announce him, makes his intention to destroy Gotham to Bruce known when he greets him and then burns down Wayne Manor), It stands to reason that Talia, Ra's al Ghul's daughter and his successor as the leader of the LOS knew Bruce was the Batman as well as Bane since they had a well-drawn plan to destroy Gotham and take their revenge on Bruce-Batman for killing Ra's al Ghul (which included forcing him to helplessly watch the slow destruction of Gotham on tv from the "unescapable" prison.)

Bobby Jr · 07-26-2012, 08:07 PM

Good film, but not nearly as good as some of the fans are claiming.

The whole bane mask thing was pointlessly corny imo. And he was so theatrical in how he spoke - totally unlike what a nasty villan would be like imo.

adventure · 07-26-2012, 08:08 PM

My friends are reporting that this installment was long and boring. The blockbusters this summer have been just that: a bust.

tenniscasey · 07-26-2012, 09:54 PM

I loved it, my wife loved it, everyone I know who's seen it loved it.

It's a movie about a billionaire who dresses in a bat suit and fights crime, especially when summoned by the "bat signal." That should be the first clue that the world of Gotham isn't exactly parallel to our own, similarities notwithstanding.

If you aren't interested in suspending some disbelief and answering superhero-movie-type plot questions yourself, TDKR is definitely not for you. Personally, I'm glad this movie didn't ponderously try to explain itself at every turn. Left room for my imagination to have some fun.

galain · 07-27-2012, 02:13 AM

I really enjoyed it too. I have to say, for me, it was a better film experience than TDK. I thought Bane was very well done.

yes, there were plot holes, but hey, it's a superhero film. The only thing I wasn't too thrilled about was the very end. I would have bene happy had the film ended a little earlier, but all in all, well worth the money I paid.

SPRacket · 07-27-2012, 10:55 PM

pretty awesome movie, sadly had to see it in regular theater, can't wait to go watch it again in IMAX

ChrisCrocker · 07-29-2012, 01:14 AM

I didn't like that nolan decided to replace bane's back story with Talia.

In the comics bane look to Ra's as a father figure so it made sense that in this movie he was Ra's al ghul's son. Bane was born in prison due to his father's deeds and escaped prison, but they decided to have Talia fill that row which I thought killed the story a bit.

Sure it made a twist to the story (for those that didn't know Talia was going to be in the movie), but I didn't like it. Bane holding batman and breaking his spine was cool though, it was a given they were going to put that in but still made me smile.

edberg505 · 07-31-2012, 07:02 AM

"Peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you!" -Bane

Oh, you think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man. By then, it was nothing to me but blinding! The shadows betray you because they belong to me." -Bane

07-25-2012, 09:23 PM	#81
tricky Hall Of Fame Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,311	I thought the first 1/3 of the plot was a bit languid and diffuse. In retrospect, it was necessary to fold in the different storylines and many, many supporting characters. Dark Knight Rises is plotted more like a TV miniseries, than a 3-act movie. __________________ Directory of Tennis Warehouse Clubs (courtesy of Mountain Ghost) http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=179307

07-26-2012, 08:07 PM	#88
Bobby Jr Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 4,522	Good film, but not nearly as good as some of the fans are claiming. The whole bane mask thing was pointlessly corny imo. And he was so theatrical in how he spoke - totally unlike what a nasty villan would be like imo. __________________ Original Pro Staff 85, leaded to 370g, hybrid poly/syn gut set-up, 48-52-ish lbs.

07-27-2012, 02:13 AM	#91
galain Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,823	I really enjoyed it too. I have to say, for me, it was a better film experience than TDK. I thought Bane was very well done. yes, there were plot holes, but hey, it's a superhero film. The only thing I wasn't too thrilled about was the very end. I would have bene happy had the film ended a little earlier, but all in all, well worth the money I paid. __________________ "A closed mouth gathers no feet"

07-27-2012, 10:55 PM	#92
SPRacket New User Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 14	pretty awesome movie, sadly had to see it in regular theater, can't wait to go watch it again in IMAX __________________ Yonex Ezone Xi 98 with Technifibre Multifeel 16 @ 53

07-31-2012, 07:02 AM	#94
edberg505 Legend Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 6,016	"Peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you!" -Bane Oh, you think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man. By then, it was nothing to me but blinding! The shadows betray you because they belong to me." -Bane __________________ I believe in Taylor Dent.