It's generally agreed that Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977

[hoodjem]

Originally Posted by 5555

I have got proof that it's generally agreed that Borg was the real No. 1 in 1977:
"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.” The Bud Collins History of Tennis An Authoritative Encyclopedia and Record Book

Originally Posted by Mustard

It's obvious that Vilas had the best results over the whole season. That is undeniable. 1977 Borg cannot compete with 16 tournaments wins, 2 majors (plus another major final), a 53 match clay-court winning streak and a 46 match winning streak. Borg just didn't have the activity needed, nor the number of major wins.

Originally Posted by hoodjem

It would seem that there is little "general agreement" here.

Like I said . . . .

[5555]

Originally Posted by Mustard

It's obvious that Vilas had the best results over the whole season. That is undeniable.

Can you provide a reliable source which states that most experts said Vilas was the real No. 1 ni 1977?

Originally Posted by hoodjem

Like I said . . . .

It is irrelevant what non-experts think. The only opinion that matters is opinion of experts.

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by 5555

Can you provide a reliable source which states that most experts said Vilas was the real No. 1 ni 1977?.

Try looking at their 1977 match results and see the reality for yourself.

[5555]

Originally Posted by Mustard

Try looking at their 1977 match results and see the reality for yourself.

"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.”

The Bud Collins History of Tennis An Authoritative Encyclopedia and Record Book

[BeHappy]

Originally Posted by 5555

"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.”

The Bud Collins History of Tennis An Authoritative Encyclopedia and Record Book

Bud Collins is full of ____.

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by 5555

"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.”

The Bud Collins History of Tennis An Authoritative Encyclopedia and Record Book

Do you always do what others tell you or find out things for yourself?

[jean pierre]

Originally Posted by 5555

"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.”

The Bud Collins History of Tennis An Authoritative Encyclopedia and Record Book

Bud Collins is God ?

[5555]

Originally Posted by Mustard

Do you always do what others tell you or find out things for yourself?

Originally Posted by jean pierre

Bud Collins is God ?

Can you find a reliable source which states that most authorites/experts said Vilas was the real No. 1 in 1977?

[jean pierre]

Originally Posted by 5555

Can you find a reliable source which states that most authorites/experts said Vilas was the real No. 1 in 1977?

Most "experts" and most people who knows tennis think that Vilas is the real number one.

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by 5555

Can you find a reliable source which states that most authorites/experts said Vilas was the real No. 1 in 1977?

As I said, look at the 1977 match results of Vilas and Borg.

[hoodjem]

Originally Posted by jean pierre

Bud Collins is God ?

I thought this was Federer.?

[kiki]

Originally Posted by hoodjem

I thought this was Federer.?

Just for new born Christians.

[jean pierre]

Originally Posted by 5555

Can you find a reliable source which states that most authorites/experts said Vilas was the real No. 1 in 1977?

Yes. Christian Quidet in "the wonderful tennis history", and Patrice Dominguez in several books he wrote. And a lot of websites specialized about tennis. In fact, almost everyone interested in tennis think Vilas is the n°1. Because he won more Grand Slams, more tournaments and more matches than Borg.

[kiki]

How can an issue still be open after so long?

I think there are richer years in terms of who was nº 1, like 1970 or 1971, maybe 1976, 1989, 1990 with more slam winners ( and WCT finals and Masters, too).

Is there anybody willing to discuss those years?

[Mustard]

1970 was clearly Laver. 1971 is tougher to judge, but I go with Newcombe. 1976 is Connors. 1989 is Becker, and 1990 is Edberg.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Mustard

1970 was clearly Laver. 1971 is tougher to judge, but I go with Newcombe. 1976 is Connors. 1989 is Becker, and 1990 is Edberg.

Thanks, Mustard¡¡

My point is , and I go by records, not by peak play:

1970:Rosewall (Laver for peak play)
1971:Smith (Newk for peak play)
1976:Borg (Connors for peak play)
1989: Becker (Becker for peak play but very close with Lendl and Edberg)
1990:Edberg (Possibly Edberg for peak play, although the way Sampras took the Open just let me stunned)

[pc1]

Originally Posted by hoodjem

I thought this was Federer.?

The way some talk about him you would think they do.

[5555]

Originally Posted by Mustard

As I said, look at the 1977 match results of Vilas and Borg.

Originally Posted by jean pierre

Most "experts" and most people who knows tennis think that Vilas is the real number one.

"But even though World Tennis magazine declared Vilas No. 1 for the year, most other authorities disagreed and bestowed that mythical honor on Borg.”

The Bud Collins History of Tennis An Authoritative Encyclopedia and Record Book

Originally Posted by jean pierre

Yes. Christian Quidet in "the wonderful tennis history", and Patrice Dominguez in several books he wrote.

Can you give exact quotes from their books?

[5555]

Considering that jean pierre has not responded, it can be concluded that he lost the argument.

It's generally agreed that Borg was the real No. 1 ni 1977.

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by 5555

Considering that jean pierre has not responded, it can be concluded that he lost the argument.

It's generally agreed that Borg was the real No. 1 ni 1977.

Have you looked at Vilas' and Borg's results yet?

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/P...y=1977&m=s&e=0
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/P...y=1977&m=s&e=0

I think it's clear that Vilas had the better year in 1977.