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Old 07-16-2012, 12:23 PM   #881
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Wasn't Borg number 1 for A week in 1977 in august?
Could be. I'm unsure as to how the ATP computer figured what it did back then.
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:25 PM   #882
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The Association of Tennis Professionals computer rankings. ("The ATP itself awarded Borg "Player of The Year" contradicting its computer ranking [Connors N° 1].")
Year-end number 1

John McEnroe finished the year as the number 1-ranked player for four consecutive years from 1981 to 1984.
Lleyton Hewitt at age 20 became the youngest player to hold the world number 1 ranking. He obtained this in November 2001.
Novak Djokovic finished the year 2011 as No. 1
The year-end number 1 ranked player is determined as the player at the head of the ATP rankings following the completion of the final tournament of the calendar year, usually in November or December. Pete Sampras holds the record of six year-end number ones, which were in consecutive years from 1993 through 1998.
Only five players have stayed at number 1 in the rankings every week of a calendar year. Federer is the only player to have been ranked number 1 every week for three consecutive calendar years.
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(1) Cumulative number of times as year-end number 1
Ranked number 1 during every week of the calendar year
Year Player
1973 Ilie Năstase (1)
1974 Jimmy Connors (1)
1975 Jimmy Connors (2)
1976 Jimmy Connors (3)
1977 Jimmy Connors (4)
My question was : which sources gave Connors n°1 ?
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:47 PM   #883
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Wasn't Borg number 1 for A week in 1977 in august?
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:36 PM   #884
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While I would still put Connors third in 1977 behind Vilas and Borg, I agree that there is a case to give him the edge that year given that he won 2 out of the 5 biggest tournaments that year and was a finalist at 2 out of the other 3.

It's not like 1982 where there is no way in hell anyone could give McEnroe the edge that year over either Connors or Lendl, given that failed to win any titles at the slams, Masters, WCT finals or other WCT tournaments.
1982 was the worse year for Mac since 1978.Still the guy played 3 off the top 5 finals of the year and the semifinal of the 4 th ( didn´t play the French).For 95% of the top 100 guys, this would have been their best ever season...for him, a big failure....
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So far three different slam winners, so there is a possibility of (at least) three different world no. 1 for 2012. (Imagine if Murray were to win the USO. Four?)

But if one of these three wins the US Open, would that "seal the deal"? Could Nadal re-gain the no. 1 spot?

Do the Olympics factor in?
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:54 AM   #886
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So far three different slam winners, so there is a possibility of (at least) three different world no. 1 for 2012. (Imagine if Murray were to win the USO. Four?)

But if one of these three wins the US Open, would that "seal the deal"? Could Nadal re-gain the no. 1 spot?

Do the Olympics factor in?
Olympics only factor in that they are a 750 point event, so they factor less than a masters 1000 event this year.

Its going to get complicated if one of the big three grabs the us open but another 1 of the big three cleans up all the other events including the wtf.

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Old 08-03-2012, 10:59 AM   #887
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1950—Kramer/Segura
1951—Kramer
1952—Gonzales/Sedgman
1953—Kramer(6)/Segura(2)
1954—Gonzales
1955—Gonzales
1956—Gonzales
1957—Gonzales
1958—Gonzales(6)/Sedgman(2)
1959—Hoad
1960—Rosewall
1961—Rosewall
1962—Rosewall
1963—Rosewall(4)

Gonzales had six years as world no. 1, but that's all.
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Gonzales dominated the 1960 world pro tour. Gonzales also won the 1961 world pro tour, and his 8th US Pro title that year. Rosewall has a case for co-number 1 in 1961, in my opinion, but Gonzales was never toppled before his 18 month retirement from the end of 1961.

Result of the 1960 world pro tour:

1. Pancho Gonzales 49-8
2. Ken Rosewall 32-25
3. Pancho Segura 22-28
4. Alex Olmedo 11-44


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http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...&postcount=863

I have Gonzales as world number 1 in 8 calendar years, more than any other player. Laver and Tilden both have 7.

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Old 08-03-2012, 11:41 AM   #889
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I believe that Hoad was the best in 1959, Gonzales second.

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He was paid for 15 wins against Gonzales, and Gonzales acknowledged that. No way would Gonzales have accepted less money than he was entitled to, or acknowledged the head to head win by Hoad.
"The only only player who beat me in a head to head tour was Hoad in 1959, 15 to 13. During that tour, Hoad produced the greatest tennis I have ever seen. I had blisters under my blisters from the punishment. After that tour, Hoad's back bothered him so much that he lost his desire to practise."
There was a bonus money pool for tournament play for the entire 1959-60 season (beginning in January 1959 to January 1960) involving the whole Kramer group of players. Kramer designated this tour as the overall world championship, as opposed to the four-man U.S. tour. The world title involved 14 designated tournaments, which did not include the Grand Prix de Europe or the "US Pro" in Cleveland. The series sponsor and funder was Ampol, the giant oil company. The tournaments were held throughout the year, with an early series in Australia, a middle series in U.S.A., and a concluding series in Australia. Hoad won this title, with Gonzales finishing second.
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Gonzales still won the 4-man 1959 world pro tour, and BobbyOne seems to have cast some doubt on the exact Gonzales vs. Hoad head-to-head (I've had it as 15-13 to Hoad). Gonzales beat Hoad in dominant fashion in the 1959 US Pro final in Cleveland, although Hoad returned in the favour in the 1959 Tournament of Champions final at Forest Hills.

Hoad could be co-number 1, but Gonzales was not toppled.
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hoodjem, Mustard,

Your arguments are strong for both players. That's the reason why I would give a tied No.1 place to both (with a possible Co.-No 1 Rosewall).
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Wasn´t Pancho Gonzales who claimed that the only player he thought out of his reach was peak Hoad?
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Wasn´t Pancho Gonzales who claimed that the only player he thought out of his reach was peak Hoad?
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..if such a terrific ego as Gonzales says such a thing, there is no way to doubt about it.
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..if such a terrific ego as Gonzales says such a thing, there is no way to doubt about it.
Gonzales went out of his way to be friendly with Hoad as well, which was most unlike him. Even his friends like Segura and Olmedo, and his proteges like Pasarell and Ralston, would often be on the sharp end of his temper. He even ignored Olmedo for months once after Olmedo beat him in a match.
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Gonzales went out of his way to be friendly with Hoad as well, which was most unlike him. Even his friends like Segura and Olmedo, and his proteges like Pasarell and Ralston, would often be on the sharp end of his temper. He even ignored Olmedo for months once after Olmedo beat him in a match.
What a great buddy this Pancho.
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Hoad had women´s magnet.He was also a great friend of his friend.Even such a mean guy like Rosewall, his long time buddy and rival, paid the greatest tribute to him.

In the south of Spain and in Spain´s DC team, he was seen as one of them.
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kiki,

Why was Rosewall Hoad's Buddy?

And why was R. a mean guy?
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Hoad had women´s magnet.He was also a great friend of his friend.Even such a mean guy like Rosewall, his long time buddy and rival, paid the greatest tribute to him.

In the south of Spain and in Spain´s DC team, he was seen as one of them.
How was Rosewall mean? I think of them as friends and Rosewall as a great gentleman.
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Hoad and Rosewall were friends since childhood, weren't they?
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