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Could be. I'm unsure as to how the ATP computer figured what it did back then.
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So far three different slam winners, so there is a possibility of (at least) three different world no. 1 for 2012. (Imagine if Murray were to win the USO. Four?)
But if one of these three wins the US Open, would that "seal the deal"? Could Nadal re-gain the no. 1 spot? Do the Olympics factor in?
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Its going to get complicated if one of the big three grabs the us open but another 1 of the big three cleans up all the other events including the wtf. Last edited by timnz : 07-25-2012 at 11:57 AM. |
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1950—Kramer/Segura
1951—Kramer 1952—Gonzales/Sedgman 1953—Kramer(6)/Segura(2) 1954—Gonzales 1955—Gonzales 1956—Gonzales 1957—Gonzales 1958—Gonzales(6)/Sedgman(2) 1959—Hoad 1960—Rosewall 1961—Rosewall 1962—Rosewall 1963—Rosewall(4) Gonzales had six years as world no. 1, but that's all.
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Gonzales dominated the 1960 world pro tour. Gonzales also won the 1961 world pro tour, and his 8th US Pro title that year. Rosewall has a case for co-number 1 in 1961, in my opinion, but Gonzales was never toppled before his 18 month retirement from the end of 1961.
Result of the 1960 world pro tour: 1. Pancho Gonzales 49-8 2. Ken Rosewall 32-25 3. Pancho Segura 22-28 4. Alex Olmedo 11-44 My rankings list is here: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...&postcount=863 I have Gonzales as world number 1 in 8 calendar years, more than any other player. Laver and Tilden both have 7. Last edited by Mustard : 08-03-2012 at 11:23 AM. |
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I believe that Hoad was the best in 1959, Gonzales second.
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Gonzales still won the 4-man 1959 world pro tour, and BobbyOne seems to have cast some doubt on the exact Gonzales vs. Hoad head-to-head (I've had it as 15-13 to Hoad). Gonzales beat Hoad in dominant fashion in the 1959 US Pro final in Cleveland, although Hoad returned in the favour in the 1959 Tournament of Champions final at Forest Hills.
Hoad could be co-number 1, but Gonzales was not toppled. |
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hoodjem, Mustard,
Your arguments are strong for both players. That's the reason why I would give a tied No.1 place to both (with a possible Co.-No 1 Rosewall). |
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Wasn´t Pancho Gonzales who claimed that the only player he thought out of his reach was peak Hoad?
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..if such a terrific ego as Gonzales says such a thing, there is no way to doubt about it.
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Gonzales went out of his way to be friendly with Hoad as well, which was most unlike him. Even his friends like Segura and Olmedo, and his proteges like Pasarell and Ralston, would often be on the sharp end of his temper. He even ignored Olmedo for months once after Olmedo beat him in a match.
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Hoad had women´s magnet.He was also a great friend of his friend.Even such a mean guy like Rosewall, his long time buddy and rival, paid the greatest tribute to him.
In the south of Spain and in Spain´s DC team, he was seen as one of them.
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kiki,
Why was Rosewall Hoad's Buddy? And why was R. a mean guy? |
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How was Rosewall mean? I think of them as friends and Rosewall as a great gentleman.
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Hoad and Rosewall were friends since childhood, weren't they?
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