Finding my strokes after 20 years. Stroke video inside

[Greg G]

Originally Posted by Cheetah

you on the other hand look like you want to dance with some imaginary partner that's waiting on your left side.

LOL! For some reason this came to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8HI_amy0yQ

Will work on what you said. Thanks!

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by Greg G

Oh it does let me "pat the dog"- I just forgot to shadow that

Here you go. Keep in mind I have a grip between an Eastern and a Semi-Western, so it may not be as horizontal. I paused it at what I think is the pat the dog position. Let me know if it's OK. Thanks!

http://youtu.be/jxvfHxJfhcU

Lower takeback is better. Could be lower - level with your head. Racquet face is still too open.

More importantly, there's no employment of the kinetic chain in your shadow swing. Remember this video? Check out the explanation of kinetic chain starting with the legs, hips, shoulders and arm. The kinetic chain is what generates acceleration at contact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ho3F...ailpage#t=108s

[Cheetah]

yes you need kinetic chain. that will give you the explosion at impact i'm referring to.

[Greg G]

OK will work on more explosiveness- but the video was just to show the path and the wrist motion, I can't be explosive indoors! I have the chip on my new racquet to remind me why

Putting this link here for my reference (Rick Macci video):
http://www.tennisresources.com/index...100&vidid=3549

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by Greg G

OK will work on more explosiveness- but the video was just to show the path and the wrist motion, I can't be explosive indoors! I have the chip on my new racquet to remind me why

Putting this link here for my reference (Rick Macci video):
http://www.tennisresources.com/index...100&vidid=3549

Hey Greg, this is one of the videos that Cheetah posted, except from the very beginning of the video. This Girl has a nice takeback that you could model your takeback on. Notice her shadow swings at about 22 seconds: racquet head at head height, racquet face slightly closed, elbow in and forward, nice kinetic chain, etc., etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbwyL...LMIDCyV3x4-c&t

[Greg G]

Will do! Yes it does look pretty good, I missed that early part. Will digest it all and see what comes out

Won't be on court for a few days, and I probably have too much forehand on the brain already. Perhaps we could talk about volleys for a while? This was after 45 minutes of nonstop forehands, so forgive my legs... the forehand side is more suspect. Sometimes I take it back too far, and I am having a particularly hard time with it when I have to move to the left while hitting it. Both sides are serviceable, but no knifelike quality to them.

http://youtu.be/3THm19ik7FU

Have at it

[Greg G]

Is this a good example of internal shoulder rotation during the swing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=SP...ailpage#t=126s

[5263]

Originally Posted by Greg G

Will do! Yes it does look pretty good, I missed that early part. Will digest it all and see what comes out

Won't be on court for a few days, and I probably have too much forehand on the brain already. Perhaps we could talk about volleys for a while? This was after 45 minutes of nonstop forehands, so forgive my legs... the forehand side is more suspect. Sometimes I take it back too far, and I am having a particularly hard time with it when I have to move to the left while hitting it. Both sides are serviceable, but no knifelike quality to them.

http://youtu.be/3THm19ik7FU

Have at it

Bh volley looks much better on technique to me as you lead with the hand and
pull thru the volley, but on the Fh, you push the volley by pressing the racket
face out to the ball.

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by Greg G

Is this a good example of internal shoulder rotation during the swing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=SP...ailpage#t=126s

Yes.
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[Greg G]

Monsoon rains have me on forced vacation from the courts. Found these nice video, placing links here for quick reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ufMEMt-UE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeJyEfMVp5E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX6PPsvD_Wg

[Greg G]

Testing out new software for video processing/ analysis. Video slowed to 10%, with graphic overlays of the swing path angle. Awesome!

Now we can be more scientific in analyzing my swing path!

http://youtu.be/LiOwxbKHqkY

[Greg G]

OK here's video of today's hitting session. Was trying to emphasize internal shoulder rotation and flattening out the swing path. Wasn't too successful judging by the video, but the shots were definitely hit with better pace. I hope the wrist thing has been minimized already...

http://youtu.be/Xvs0GNCTVnc


Am loving this Kinovea software! Slow mo vids below:

Slow motion vid from front/side. Should the swing path be flatter still...say 20 degrees?
http://youtu.be/EdFIgSn0Og4

Slow motion from rear.
http://youtu.be/Zi3jt6Quim0

Backhand in slow motion:
http://youtu.be/ch8B7WoyHo8

Stills:

[Cheetah]

wow. very nice. getting better. the ISR makes a big difference. ball sounds better too.

I think you should pay me now.

[Chillaxer]

I'm in the situation of re-getting back into it after play9ng a lot when young. A bit like riding a bike, your strokes are still there.

[Greg G]

Thanks Cheetah! I owe you a beer, along with everyone else on this thread

The concept of 'hitting with intent' did the trick. Still think I could keep the left hand extended out just a tad more. I played a set with it (sd card had an issue, couldnt take video). Was able to dictate the point with the forehand, and run the guy around consistently! I need to work on the inside out forehand. I don't hit it as cleanly, must be a timing thing, since I worked so much on moving the contact out in front. Also have to improve lateral mobility, and move more diagonally to cut off the wide balls.

Chillaxer, yup it is like riding a bike. Fitness and (unconscious) match play decision making are the parts that are harder to get back.

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by Greg G

In the second picture, during your unit turn, your racquet head should be at the same height as your head as it is in the first picture, and your stance should be wider and lower with your weight on your right leg ready to transfer to your left leg.

[Greg G]

WRT the width of the stance, I think I was backing up/running around. But yep I could be wider/lower. I am not all that happy with the takeback. Will work on that aspect. I think my wrist should be more neutral and not laid back during the unit turn, which is probably causing that part to be a little stiff, and not allowing me to 'pat the dog.'

This is some good hitting by Murray. I like the swing path:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAel5QkCJ6I

[Cheetah]

Originally Posted by Greg G

WRT the width of the stance, I think I was backing up/running around. But yep I could be wider/lower. I am not all that happy with the takeback. Will work on that aspect. I think my wrist should be more neutral and not laid back during the unit turn, which is probably causing that part to be a little stiff, and not allowing me to 'pat the dog.'

This is some good hitting by Murray. I like the swing path:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAel5QkCJ6I

Nice vid of Murray. I've never seen that one before. Did you see the 'training block' vids of him on that channel? some really good hitting by murray. nice swing path.

[Greg G]

Oh yeah! Training block 2 is great! Just what I need to work on the inside out forehand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR5VBz8amtg

Training block 4 is pretty good too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX7fpTrYVPo

[CCH4TENNIS]

Hi Greg

Thanx for the headup on the Kinovea software, it works beautifully and I can now generate lots of JPGs automatically based on the speed that I want.

Cheers