Getting OFF the poly bandwagon.

[monticore]

Originally Posted by sansaephanh

I dont know guys. The problem with me going back to multis/synths is power. I love the feel, but it really has me sending balls deep everywhere. Stringing at 60 takes away too much feel sometimes, but any lower has a undesirable amount of power. This is just me finding reasons to stick with bhbr though. The "magical spin" has increased my serve% and has won me matches via heft of bigger swings.

I've played with a synth recently and it wasn't too bad at all. It was just annoying has heck not being able to control really big cuts.

I got a little shoulder/wrist soreness with cyberflash, but not with bhbr. I know it's mainly my serve for too. Serving 50-80+ mph with all arm isn't the most ideal serve to have lol.

you should be able to generate enough spin with a multi to keep any ball in. i play vs guys who hit with polys and my spin is just a good if not better than theres.


cory

[sansaephanh]

Originally Posted by monticore

you should be able to generate enough spin with a multi to keep any ball in. i play vs guys who hit with polys and my spin is just a good if not better than theres.


cory

True, but its nice to know I can get some extra bite if i can. I'm hoping dunlop hexy fiber has some good feel. If so it's probably going to be my string for price vs performance.

Anyone else have experiences or judgements on this thread?

Anyone have some feedback on these three strings? ** As fullbeds or mains please**

Gamma Ruff 16

Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16 or 17

[sansaephanh]

I'm gonna order those three and some head rip 17. I'd post reviews, but i'd rather just keep how i like it in my head and bring it up in conversation if someone asks =D

[maxpotapov]

Originally Posted by monticore

you should be able to generate enough spin with a multi to keep any ball in. i play vs guys who hit with polys and my spin is just a good if not better than theres.


cory

It is not just how much spin you can put on the ball, but also what effort it takes. For example, running forehands rely on the bite from the strings, super hard to hit them offensively with full multi stringbed.

[maxpotapov]

Originally Posted by sansaephanh

True, but its nice to know I can get some extra bite if i can. I'm hoping dunlop hexy fiber has some good feel. If so it's probably going to be my string for price vs performance.

Anyone else have experiences or judgements on this thread?

Anyone have some feedback on these three strings? ** As fullbeds or mains please**

Gamma Ruff 16

Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16 or 17

My experience with "rough" multies (such as RIP) shows that it is little good if string surface is more rough or sticky because it prevents strings from sliding in the first place. That means whatever action on the ball is lacking from the stringbed, you will have to supply yourself, and this is tiresome labor.

Polys slide and snap back whether they are rough or sleek, because of harder surface and increased stiffness. The only thing that comes close in terms of effortless spin is natural gut / poly hybrid, because of elasticity (snapback) of the gut mains and slippery surface of the poly cross.

[mykoh]

+1 on the syngut/poly hybrid. a multi/poly setup is pretty good too! i had biphase/blackcode on my exo3 100 and it was lovely.

i have a full bed yonex poly tour pro in my 95d and i don't think its for me either. not jumping off the bandwagon completely though, as i think poly/syngut is more my thang. experimenting with a few sets of tough gut and klip legend in the coming weeks though.

[maxpotapov]

Originally Posted by mykoh

+1 on the syngut/poly hybrid. a multi/poly setup is pretty good too! i had biphase/blackcode on my exo3 100 and it was lovely.

i have a full bed yonex poly tour pro in my 95d and i don't think its for me either. not jumping off the bandwagon completely though, as i think poly/syngut is more my thang. experimenting with a few sets of tough gut and klip legend in the coming weeks though.

The only reason I'm jumping off the poly bandwagon is poor durability of poly mains (they die in 5 hours or less of hard hitting) and I don't have a stringing machine to keep them fresh. For me it makes more sense financially to pay $35 or so for 20+ hours natural gut / poly stringjob, given that poly cross will not affect overall playability too much (when they die in 5-8 hours).

[BorisBeckerFan]

Big Banger strung at 40 Lbs and use in practice for about 5 hours so it's nice and dead before using it in matches. Works great for me on the Prestige Mids. Easily lasts several matches with out fear of it breaking not inclduding shanks which can make it go at any time. I love it. It feels like I'm hitting the ball with a flexible paddle rather than strings. Easy enough on the arm but can still take full swings at the ball.

[Hi I'm Ray]

Originally Posted by sansaephanh

I think i'm just gonna go cold turkey. I haven't found better spin or lasting playability yet, but I'm honestly not on the level that i should be using it.

I've finally come to terms with my own humanity. Even as I type I have doubts that I will find anything close to bhbr, but I guess I should be 4.5+ for poly like everyone suggests.

I'm going to be glad not worry about equipment as much, THATs for sure.

I'm kinda scared about how to go about this. Just buy a reel of synth gut and live averagely ever after?

Wish me luck lol.

Well, I don't see any real issues in your post and normally I would say "why not just stick to poly then?" But I read in another post that you don't win matches the way you do with a multi, so in that case you don't have much to lose by switching away from poly. Use what works!

[sansaephanh]

Originally Posted by maxpotapov

My experience with "rough" multies (such as RIP) shows that it is little good if string surface is more rough or sticky because it prevents strings from sliding in the first place. That means whatever action on the ball is lacking from the stringbed, you will have to supply yourself, and this is tiresome labor.

Polys slide and snap back whether they are rough or sleek, because of harder surface and increased stiffness. The only thing that comes close in terms of effortless spin is natural gut / poly hybrid, because of elasticity (snapback) of the gut mains and slippery surface of the poly cross.

I was thinking the exact same thing, but what other choice do i have if I want similar playability with completely different strings. There just ISN'T a compensation. Though i'm going to give these strings a shot anyways. I have the thirst to know. what these play like. I'm going to order hexy fiber 16 and have a go with it.

[sundaypunch]

Originally Posted by monticore

you should be able to generate enough spin with a multi to keep any ball in. i play vs guys who hit with polys and my spin is just a good if not better than theres.


cory

I get good spin with RIP Control. Not as good as a textured poly but enough to be happy with it. What I don't like about it and other multi's is that the strings move all over the place. That's a deal-killer and the reason I stick with poly.

[sansaephanh]

Originally Posted by Hi I'm Ray

Well, I don't see any real issues in your post and normally I would say "why not just stick to poly then?" But I read in another post that you don't win matches the way you do with a multi, so in that case you don't have much to lose by switching away from poly. Use what works!

pretty sure that wasnt me lol. I dont win matches with multi. bhbr probably literally doubled my serve percentage. having that teeny bit of extra spin with less effort increased my margin for error. which in turn let me move my serve around the box more. similar results on groundies.

BUT, i miss the feel of a nice consistent multi/synth. I'm gonna give hexy fiber a good long run on faith alone. I'll work with different tensions and see how far i get with it.

[mikeler]

RIP Control 16 and Hexy Fiber 16 are #1 and #2 for spin multis. RIP 16 did not have enough control or touch for me. Hexy Fiber was nice but durability was poor.

[Hi I'm Ray]

Originally Posted by sansaephanh

pretty sure that wasnt me lol. I dont win matches with multi. bhbr probably literally doubled my serve percentage. having that teeny bit of extra spin with less effort increased my margin for error. which in turn let me move my serve around the box more. similar results on groundies.

BUT, i miss the feel of a nice consistent multi/synth. I'm gonna give hexy fiber a good long run on faith alone. I'll work with different tensions and see how far i get with it.

Oh, my bad. That was anubis & his thread talking about maybe switching off of poly, then you posted in the same thread saying you were thinking of switching as well & I mixed it up.

I wonder if a multi/syn gut hybrid would have slightly more spin than a full bed of multi, since the syn gut crosses won't stick or fray & hinder string snapback the way a multi cross would. Similar to how I find better spin poly/syn gut than w/a poly/sticky multi.

[anubis]

Sometimes I feel like a lot of us on this forum rely too much on our tools to get the job done. Let us not forget that spin generation comes firstly from proper technique.

I'm not an amazing tennis player, but I can generate just as much spin with multi as I can with poly. I don't know if its an illusion or a fact that its a tad easier to generate spin with a textured poly, but judging by my own skill level, I'd say its an illusion.

when I play with multi, I have no problems generating spin. so if that was my only criterion, I wouldn't select poly for that purpose.

[sansaephanh]

Originally Posted by anubis

Sometimes I feel like a lot of us on this forum rely too much on our tools to get the job done. Let us not forget that spin generation comes firstly from proper technique.

I'm not an amazing tennis player, but I can generate just as much spin with multi as I can with poly. I don't know if its an illusion or a fact that its a tad easier to generate spin with a textured poly, but judging by my own skill level, I'd say its an illusion.

when I play with multi, I have no problems generating spin. so if that was my only criterion, I wouldn't select poly for that purpose.

Yeah, i know. This answer is common because its true to a certain extent, but i've felt the difference. I don't know what it is, but try bhbr 17 next to nxt. There IS going to be a major difference in feel and spin production. I just can't believe there isn't going to be a difference. You can even FEEL the extra bite. Its like using two nearly identical racket from two different brands, but one is 2 RA pts stiffer. It's going to feel different. Whether its the brand, the ra difference, or the manufacturing steps.

What i'm trying to figure out now is if there is a string out there with a decent compensation of assisted spin, low power, good feel, more comfort then poly, and has a decent price?

So far i've seen hexy fiber stick out of the crowd. Not many people have used it, but i'm willing to test out the compensation.

Gamma ruff has also stuck out, but i kind of don't wanna deal with stringing it, because i'm still kinda nooby at stringing lol.

All in all, I want to get off poly. Poly is a much disputed concept for the average level player and both sides have had enough argument for me to firstly jump ON the bandwagon and accept its massive playability. Secondly, to get off poly for detriments due to it just plain being bad for a player like me, who probably needs all the help he can get.

[db10s]

I would recommend hexy fiber. I haven't tried it as a full bed, but I love it as a cross with poly mains

[sansaephanh]

Originally Posted by db10s

I would recommend hexy fiber. I haven't tried it as a full bed, but I love it as a cross with poly mains

I don't get why so many people crossed this string. Won't the texture and low durability from a multi reduce spin potential? I guess thats kind of over thinking it, but wouldnt you be better off with a solid core synth or nylon?

What i mean is, for me to get an idea of how this string plays i would need more then a review of it as a cross. Because the mains are the focus when it comes to spin right?

[sansaephanh]

Originally Posted by mikeler

RIP Control 16 and Hexy Fiber 16 are #1 and #2 for spin multis. RIP 16 did not have enough control or touch for me. Hexy Fiber was nice but durability was poor.

Well i love my touch so I have a batch of hexy fiber 16 coming in.

[Muppet]

You could try Gamma Revelation. I've gotten good spin out of it, it's very low powered, and it's decently priced. It runs a bit thick, so I recommend the 17 gauge.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Gamm...MA-GREV17.html