TW Review of new Luxilon 4G string --Good as Gold

[JT_2eighty]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

His point was mine. They have sent this out to the public twice, and twice it has overwhelmingly been negatively reviewed. 4G is the new Lux flagship string. Do you truthfully expect a retailer to post a review saying that the new top of the line offering from the most popular poly brand in the world is less than spectacular?

Maybe they reformulated it based on the first few subpar playtest results?

If it's priced like other lux strings... no thanks for me.

[ben123]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

His point was mine. They have sent this out to the public twice, and twice it has overwhelmingly been negatively reviewed. 4G is the new Lux flagship string. Do you truthfully expect a retailer to post a review saying that the new top of the line offering from the most popular poly brand in the world is less than spectacular?

even if they brought up the best string in the world - if its from luxilon it gets bad reviews on this forum. reviews say nothing. play it yourself or let it be

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by JT_2eighty

Maybe they reformulated it based on the first few subpar playtest results?

If it's priced like other lux strings... no thanks for me.

It's the most expensive next to fluoro. 16.95 vs 16.75 for ALU.

Originally Posted by ben123

even if they brought up the best string in the world - if its from luxilon it gets bad reviews on this forum. reviews say nothing. play it yourself or let it be

I have tried it. Twice.

[Shangri La]

The playtesters referenced playability duration in number of weeks. It'd be really helpful to know how many hours they play each week.

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

It's the most expensive next to fluoro. 16.95 vs 16.75 for ALU.


I have tried it. Twice.

you saying, you didn't like it either ? look at the video review and amount of topspin Jason is getting on his shots. It looks like Nadal forehand to me.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/revi...l?from=recruit

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

you saying, you didn't like it either ? look at the video review and amount of topspin Jason is getting on his shots. It looks like Nadal forehand to me.

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/revi...l?from=recruit

Have you ever seen Nadal play? Or are you trolling now?

Let me put this into perspective for you. Another guy who posts on here plays on my school's club team. Since I string for him, he offered me 3 or 4 sets of 4G for free since he hated it. I turned them down just as fast. Now, I am not saying the string is awful. I'm not saying that at all. It doesn't do anything spectacular that any other string does. Scorpion has more control, Iontec has more feel, many MANY have more power, even more have more spin and everything from WC and Signum Pro has better tension stability. Within Lux, ALU is a far superior string and I am not even a fan of it. I can easily recognize, however, why people like ALU. It feels like nothing else. 4G just feels fairly generic.

[FloridaAG]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

His point was mine. They have sent this out to the public twice, and twice it has overwhelmingly been negatively reviewed. 4G is the new Lux flagship string. Do you truthfully expect a retailer to post a review saying that the new top of the line offering from the most popular poly brand in the world is less than spectacular?

The funny thing is, I was at a retail shop on Tuesday and one of the guys who works there who is a 5.0 masquerading as a 4.5 that I am friendly with were discussing strings and he marched me to the 4G's and asked if I was considering them and if so, he would recommend against it as he had just used them and would not recommend them for many of the same reasons listed in the playtest thread. So the specific comment I was referring to was that. I have not used them and am generally too cheap to pay for Luxilon strings

[Torres]

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Serena's racket is being preped to be strung with Luxilon 4 G string.

http://instagram.com/p/OrTGUugVYu/

How do we know that that Instagram account is an official Wilson account? It only seems to have been existence for 5 hours with an unverifiable photograph.

It really wouldn't surprise me Fedace, if you had created that account, given your history of posting misinformation on these boards. Bit of a coincidence also that that Instagram account was created 5 hours ago, and your post linking to that photo and that newly created Instagram account was also made exactly 5 hours ago as well......

And not least because the person going under the username 'wilsontennis' can't seem to spell or write properly:

"Check our online retailers to our purchase now!"

And why would 'wilsontennis' use a picture of an old tennis bag rather than the official Wilson logo?

And why would Serena Williams suddenly switch to 4G when she's using gut since forever and a day?

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by Torres

How do we know that that Instagram account is an official Wilson account? It only seems to have been existence for 5 hours with an unverifiable photograph.

It really wouldn't surprise me Fedace, if you had created that account, given your history of posting misinformation on these boards.

And not least because the person going under the username 'wilsontennis' can't seem to spell or write properly:

"Check our online retailers to our purchase now!"

And why would Serena Williams suddenly switch to 4G when she's using gut since forever and a day?

Purge your mind of all sins and evil thought, child.

https://twitter.com/LuxilonTennis/st.../photo/1/large

Luxilon tennis does Not lie.

Serena uses 5% pre-stretch. very interesting. assuming this is for the Gut ?

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by FloridaAG

The funny thing is, I was at a retail shop on Tuesday and one of the guys who works there who is a 5.0 masquerading as a 4.5 that I am friendly with were discussing strings and he marched me to the 4G's and asked if I was considering them and if so, he would recommend against it as he had just used them and would not recommend them for many of the same reasons listed in the playtest thread. So the specific comment I was referring to was that. I have not used them and am generally too cheap to pay for Luxilon strings

As your hitting partner said, you're not missing anything. It is the BMW 318i of tennis strings.

[UCSF2012]

This string was designed for gut/poly, so I'm actually disappointed that the reviewers all used full poly. Doesn't tell me anything about the string as I would use it. Specifically, I'd want to know how gut/4G compares to gut/ALU.

[Cfidave]

I play tested 4G and instructions from TW were to use it either as a full bed or as a hybrid. If it were designed for use as a hybrid only, I am fairly sure TW would have made mention of that.

[drakulie]

Lot of pros I strung for at cincy were using it:
Nishikori, dimitrov, etc. Also, both of the Williams sisters are using it.

Both of the aforementioned told me they loved the comfort, spin and control. I was able to get a few sets, so look forward to testing it out.

[FloridaAG]

Originally Posted by drakulie

Lot of pros I strung for at cincy were using it:
Nishikori, dimitrov, etc. Also, both of the Williams sisters are using it.

Both of the aforementioned told me they loved the comfort, spin and control. I was able to get a few sets, so look forward to testing it out.

Didn't know you were there. What's up?

[duffman]

I'm testing this string now in a hybrid with tonic gut in the mains. It felt really good the first time I hit with it, nice pop and very good control with good spin. 2nd time there was a noticeble tension drop. Stringbed felt much softer and more powerful. Spin was still good but control. My usual setup of gut/bhb7 or gut/b5e holds tension much better after 3 weeks than the gut/4g setup. We'll see where this goes from here...

[Nostradamus]

Originally Posted by drakulie

Lot of pros I strung for at cincy were using it:
Nishikori, dimitrov, etc. Also, both of the Williams sisters are using it.

Both of the aforementioned told me they loved the comfort, spin and control. I was able to get a few sets, so look forward to testing it out.

I had no idea you were one of the greatest stringers in history of tennis ? strung for all those great pros, you must be one of the top 5 stringers in the world. this forum is privilaged to have you.

[UCSF2012]

Originally Posted by Torres

Where have Luxilon/Wilson said that?

Can't you intuit that? If it's any indication, it seems like every pro using it is using it in a gut/poly combo.

It's virtually unusable in full bed form, but in a gut hybrid it should bring out some sickening spin.

[Torres]

^ So basically, Luxilon have never said that at all, and its just your personal view that it should be used in a hybrid.

Glad we're clear on that now.

[UCSF2012]

Originally Posted by Torres

^ So basically, Luxilon have never said that at all, and its just your personal view that it should be used in a hybrid.

Glad we're clear on that now.

Do you know what would happen to sales if any string company claimed a particular string is designed for gut/poly? The string would have no chance what-so-ever in the market, because how many people actually use natural gut? Wilson/Luxilon's marketing team isn't stupid enough to narrow the market and sabotage 4G sales. It's up to the player to determine how the string are best suited.

So far, both Nishikori and S. Williams are using 4G with Wilson natural gut. Given how miserable playtesters found the 4G to play in full bed, I think there's another purpose for 4G, and it's not full bed.

So yes, it's my personal view that 4G should be used in a hybrid. And Nishikori and S Williams seem to agree with me.

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by UCSF2012

Do you know what would happen to sales if any string company claimed a particular string is designed for gut/poly? The string would have no chance what-so-ever in the market, because how many people actually use natural gut? Wilson/Luxilon's marketing team isn't stupid enough to narrow the market and sabotage 4G sales. It's up to the player to determine how the string are best suited.

So far, both Nishikori and S. Williams are using 4G with Wilson natural gut. Given how miserable playtesters found the 4G to play in full bed, I think there's another purpose for 4G, and it's not full bed.

So yes, it's my personal view that 4G should be used in a hybrid. And Nishikori and S Williams seem to agree with me.

Fallacious argument. Torres' point is completely valid. The string, unlike L-Tec, is not marketed to be a hybrided string. Just because that seems to work best does NOT mean the average consumer will automatically realize that. Lux cannot market their poly to work with gut unless they package it under the Wilson name in a sort of Champion's Choice v2 sort of set. The fact that it's woeful in full and that it's marketed in full is the only valid point to discuss. The coincidental and anecdotal evidence that it is being used in natural gut hybrids (which, I should add, many rec players do NOT use) is in fact irrelevant. Until Luxilon says that it is meant to be hybrided with natural gut, it will be on the market as all other Lux polys: as a poly, not the poly portion of a hybrid.

So yes, as Torres said, there is no manufacturer's claim that their product works in a superior manner when used in a hybrid. The fact that their pro players are doing such means nothing to the average string consumer. They will buy it and use it as all other Lux polys are marketed: as a poly, not a cross.