Cycling: The Dirtiest Sport Of Them All

[Dedans Penthouse]

Look at the jerk on the left who's only concerned with "getting the shot" lol

'Dirty Dozen' bike race, Canton Aveune, Pittsburgh, PA

[813wilson]

Bump.

I guess it is okay to wear my Livestrong band again.....

http://cnnsi.com/more/news/20120203/...2_a7&eref=sihp

[Cindysphinx]

Bump!

This would be an excellent time for an "I told you so."

[chrischris]

Though cycling is dirty , wrestling prolly is the most juiced 'sport' out there. Those guys are just not human looking.

[Feña14]

This years winner is probably the only one you can be sure of being clean, it's good to see you can win the right way.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by chrischris

Though cycling is dirty , wrestling prolly is the most juiced 'sport' out there. Those guys are just not human looking.

Gable wasn't "juicing".

[Sander001]

Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

Bump!

This would be an excellent time for an "I told you so."

Choosing not to answer is not a crime, nor is it an admission of guilt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Sorry those are my western sensibilities, I know this is a multicultural board and I know there are all types of justice from over the world.

[Cindysphinx]

Originally Posted by Sander001

Choosing not to answer is not a crime, nor is it an admission of guilt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Sorry those are my western sensibilities, I know this is a multicultural board and I know there are all types of justice from over the world.

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but he is Ever So Guilty.

Do you think that if Federer were wrongfully accused of doping that he would meekly walk away from his status as GOAT? You think he would for all time allow all he has achieved be taken away? You think he would allow himself to be declared the biggest, baddest doper the planet has ever seen?

Nope. A truly innocent athlete with the resources of a Federer or an Armstrong would fight something like this *to the grave.*

Armstrong has made the cold calculation to cut his losses. He would rather cling to a scintilla of public doubt rather than confess all -- or fight if there is really something to fight about.

Will the last person who believes Armstrong was clean please turn out the lights?

[TomT]

Originally Posted by r2473

I'm just thankful that bodybuilding and boxing have manged to stay clean all these years.

Yeah, and lacrosse. The jury is still out on cricket.

[TomT]

Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

I always wonder whether Carl Lewis was clean. I kind of want to believe he was.

In another thread here at TT somebody said that Lewis failed several doping tests. I don't know, or care. To me, he looks like he's on drugs. (I use the Monty Python method: How do you know she's a witch? She looks like one!)

[Sander001]

Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

I'm sorry to be the one to break it to ya, but he is Ever So Guilty.

Do you think that if Federer were wrongfully accused of doping that he would meekly walk away from his status as GOAT? You think he would for all time allow all he has achieved be taken away? You think he would allow himself to be declared the biggest, baddest doper the planet has ever seen?

Nope. A truly innocent athlete with the resources of a Federer or an Armstrong would fight something like this *to the grave.*

Armstrong has made the cold calculation to cut his losses. He would rather cling to a scintilla of public doubt rather than confess all -- or fight if there is really something to fight about.

Will the last person who believes Armstrong was clean please turn out the lights?

There are so many "what ifs" I could toss at you, you'd be writing a thesis.
It's not about whether you think he's guilty, it's about due process and proving one's guilt. What your opinion is, what my opinion is, is missing the point by 4.4 light years.
But once again, these are western principles.

"We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches; it's all ancient history. And then, before you can blink an eye, suddenly it threatens to start all over again."

[TomT]

Originally Posted by West Coast Ace

No offense maverick, you make a lot of reasonable posts on this board and are one of the more solid members, but this is ridiculous. Please back up with data and/or a lot more clarification as to exactly what they're taking (I don't expect you to name names - but go ahead if you feel like it) - or withdraw.

Back to Cycling. When I heard years ago that a) it's really a team event - the top guy on each team is helped by his teammates; b) they would slow down/stop when one of the top guys got a flat so he could get back in the race, I didn't take it seriously as a real sport. Sure, I'm impressed someone can cover that much distance on a bike - but as far as competition, it's a joke. Then throw in the rampant drug use and I have no interest to follow it.

What about the wonderful scenery?

[Cindysphinx]

Originally Posted by Sander001

There are so many "what ifs" I could toss at you, you'd be writing a thesis.
It's not about whether you think he's guilty, it's about due process and proving one's guilt. What your opinion is, what my opinion is, is missing the point by 4.4 light years.
But once again, these are western principles.

You cannot walk away from due process and then complain you were denied due process.

[West Coast Ace]

Originally Posted by r2473

Gable wasn't "juicing".

Well played. Or Cael Sanderson.

I'm with Cindy. Lance's 'taking his ball and going home' play is pretty weak.

[Sander001]

Originally Posted by Cindysphinx

You cannot walk away from due process and then complain you were denied due process.

Due process is where USADA is judge, jury and executioner?
You can't get any further away from due process than that.

[t135]

He never failed a drug test and has fought this for years. Enough IS enough. It's a witch hunt with no hard evidence at this point.

Even if he did do it, he beat a bunch of other dopers to win. The playing field was level.

Its a shame so many athletes want to cheat to win. Whether Lance did it or not.

[Bartelby]

Its not a crime nor an admission of guilt.

Choosing not to answer allows the adverse findings of fact to stand and for punishment to be handed out on the findings uncontested.

As an athlete he's subject to drug control agencies.

This has nothing to do with the criminal law from where your concepts derive.

Its got to do with natural justice: he's been apprised of the case against him and given an opportunity to rebut it and he refused.

He's been accorded natural justice.

Originally Posted by Sander001

Choosing not to answer is not a crime, nor is it an admission of guilt. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
Sorry those are my western sensibilities, I know this is a multicultural board and I know there are all types of justice from over the world.

[Sander001]

Those concepts aren't derived from criminal law.

[Bartelby]

'Innocent until proven guilty' is a concept invented by an English barrister in the late eighteenth century, from memory, and it is not really a concept on which any legal system is based.

There is no legal concept of innocence, you're the accused and you're either guilty or not guilty of a crime.

All the concept really means is that the onus of proof is on the prosecution to prove its case, the defence merely has to cast doubt.

[Cindysphinx]

Lance is banking on the fact that there are a few people here and there who will believe him.

The man lacks integrity. I would never give a penny to his foundation.

I do have one live strong shirt that i received as a gift. It is a cool shirt. Fortunately the logo is tiny so i can keep wearing it.