A poly string a bit stiffer than scorpion

[Torres]

Originally Posted by Muppet

Scorpion 1.22 is very tension sensitive. It says so on the package.

No it doesn't.

[Muppet]

Originally Posted by Tmano

i did not notice that it says that on the package. i guess it explain why i tought it was stiff at 53 lbs. right now i got it strung at 46

Is that on the same racquet as before? You had your Prestige strung at 47 and you said the Scorpion was too soft. Why 46 now? Why not 49 or 50?

[Muppet]

Originally Posted by Torres

No it doesn't.

I could have sworn that I read that on the back of the package. This is from the weisscannonusa website. The bolded part is what I remembered being on the package:

COMMENTS: The overall solid performance of this string and added power makes it an excellent choice for today's heavy hitters. This string plays solidly as a full poly set-up and also shines brightly in various hybrid applications. The manufacturer recommends installing 8% less than your regular tension, but this is not always necessary. This string plays terrific once the optimal tension is identified, which may require a stringing or two. If strung too tightly the playability and comfort are not realized and the string can be perceived as an ordinary copoly. Finding the correct tension will unlock the potential and the user will reap the benefits of this solid string.

Maybe they changed the packaging.

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Muppet

I could have sworn that I read that on the back of the package. This is from the weisscannonusa website. The bolded part is what I remembered being on the package:

COMMENTS: The overall solid performance of this string and added power makes it an excellent choice for today's heavy hitters. This string plays solidly as a full poly set-up and also shines brightly in various hybrid applications. The manufacturer recommends installing 8% less than your regular tension, but this is not always necessary. This string plays terrific once the optimal tension is identified, which may require a stringing or two. If strung too tightly the playability and comfort are not realized and the string can be perceived as an ordinary copoly. Finding the correct tension will unlock the potential and the user will reap the benefits of this solid string.

Maybe they changed the packaging.

All poly manufacturers recommend about a 10% decrease in tension vs. other types of string. Their statement is true for all copolyester strings. Scorpion is, in my experience (which at the risk of hubris is a lot considering WC is my favorite company), the second LEAST tension sensitive poly they make next to Mosquito Bite. Turbotwist, Silverstring, B5E, Matchpower, Scorpion and then MB.

[ewberner]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

All poly manufacturers recommend about a 10% decrease in tension vs. other types of string. Their statement is true for all copolyester strings. Scorpion is, in my experience (which at the risk of hubris is a lot considering WC is my favorite company), the second LEAST tension sensitive poly they make next to Mosquito Bite. Turbotwist, Silverstring, B5E, Matchpower, Scorpion and then MB.

I agree with that. I have strung it as high as 60 and as low as 45 and it has delivered good performance at both tensions and everywhere in between. I feel that you can't really go wrong with this string.

[Muppet]

I yield and I stand corrected. I haven't had a lot of experience with this string.

[Tmano]

Originally Posted by Muppet

Is that on the same racquet as before? You had your Prestige strung at 47 and you said the Scorpion was too soft. Why 46 now? Why not 49 or 50?

I had the mains 46 and crosses 47 or vice versa...I don't remember now. I went for 46/47 because I thought that decreasing the tension of only 3 lbs would not make a big difference. I guess you may be right...I should have tried 49.

[Tmano]

Originally Posted by Muppet

I could have sworn that I read that on the back of the package. This is from the weisscannonusa website. The bolded part is what I remembered being on the package:

COMMENTS: The overall solid performance of this string and added power makes it an excellent choice for today's heavy hitters. This string plays solidly as a full poly set-up and also shines brightly in various hybrid applications. The manufacturer recommends installing 8% less than your regular tension, but this is not always necessary. This string plays terrific once the optimal tension is identified, which may require a stringing or two. If strung too tightly the playability and comfort are not realized and the string can be perceived as an ordinary copoly. Finding the correct tension will unlock the potential and the user will reap the benefits of this solid string.

Maybe they changed the packaging.

last night I bought a package of scorpion and pro hurricane....I will let you know what's written on the scorpion's package.

[Torres]

Originally Posted by Tmano

last night I bought a package of scorpion and pro hurricane....I will let you know what's written on the scorpion's package.

It doesn't say "This string is very tension sensitive".

All it does is mention that it should be strung 8% lower (than nylon). But that approximate rule of thumb is the case with all polys because they're stiffer strings. It doesn't mean its super tension sensitive. All Wiesscannon are trying to do is be helpful to 'the man in the street' who won't know much about string materials, stiffness, adjusting tensions etc. They make the same suggestions with Mosquito Bite (8% lower), Explosiv! (7% higher) and probably the rest of their string range.

Courtesy of Suppawat (who is also a poster on here): http://suppawat.multiply.com/reviews/item/100
.

[Muppet]

Originally Posted by Tmano

last night I bought a package of scorpion and pro hurricane....I will let you know what's written on the scorpion's package.

Thanks Tmano. I'm interested to know. I think for each racquet there is a certain tension where Scorpion becomes very cheap and stiff feeling. But that might be true of all polys. I only noticed it with Scorpion.

[Torres]

Originally Posted by Muppet

Scorpion becomes very cheap and stiff feeling.

You clearly haven't played with many polys because Scorpion is one poly is that could never be described as 'very cheap' feeling no matter what tension its strung at. Either that or you have a very strange use of terminology. Even at 60lbs it never feels 'very cheap' feeling. Stiff but never cheap feeling.

[Tmano]

So when I get Scorpion which tension should I try?

Also because it's the first time I use Babolat pro hurricane could you guys suggest me the initial tension I should string it(full bed)? I tought to start at 49lbs....

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Muppet

Thanks Tmano. I'm interested to know. I think for each racquet there is a certain tension where Scorpion becomes very cheap and stiff feeling. But that might be true of all polys. I only noticed it with Scorpion.

No WC poly has a plasticy feel at any tension. As Torres said, only stiff or boardy when strung high in the case of Silverstring and B5E. This isn't my bias talking either. For example, MSV Hex at 60lbs feels like the plastic reel it comes sold on. At 45lbs, it feels like a plush spin monster.

[Backhanded Compliment]

Originally Posted by Tmano

Thanks all guys.......

Backhanded Compliment, do you use silverstring in full bed?

thanks

Yes I do but only during the summer... Im going back to silverstring mains and Pacific toughgut 16L for my next string job. My arm prefers that setup but I can play with a full bed of silverstring.

On another note I plan to string up my backup prestige MP with scorpion soon.

[Tmano]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

No WC poly has a plasticy feel at any tension. As Torres said, only stiff or boardy when strung high in the case of Silverstring and B5E. This isn't my bias talking either. For example, MSV Hex at 60lbs feels like the plastic reel it comes sold on. At 45lbs, it feels like a plush spin monster.

you are right it does not feel plasticy. out of curiosity did anyone try scorpion lower than 45lbs?

[pvaudio]

Originally Posted by Tmano

you are right it does not feel plasticy. out of curiosity did anyone try scorpion lower than 45lbs?

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...postcount=1369

38lbs

[pvaudio]

Oops, wrong link. The results were the same for the Scorpion as I did them both at the same time.

[Tmano]

Originally Posted by pvaudio

Oops, wrong link. The results were the same for the Scorpion as I did them both at the same time.

Thanks pvaudio

[Tmano]

Originally Posted by Torres

It doesn't say "This string is very tension sensitive".

All it does is mention that it should be strung 8% lower (than nylon). But that approximate rule of thumb is the case with all polys because they're stiffer strings. It doesn't mean its super tension sensitive. All Wiesscannon are trying to do is be helpful to 'the man in the street' who won't know much about string materials, stiffness, adjusting tensions etc. They make the same suggestions with Mosquito Bite (8% lower), Explosiv! (7% higher) and probably the rest of their string range.

Courtesy of Suppawat (who is also a poster on here): http://suppawat.multiply.com/reviews/item/100
.

Confirm it all.....just got the string and it only says "string 8% less"

However, regarding the pro hurricane string it gives you a recommended tension

1.20 and 1.25 gauge at 48 lbs

1.30 and 1.35 gauge at 62 lbs which it seems to high but that's what's written

[Torres]

Thread resurrection, but its occured to me that if you want a string similar to Scorpion 17 but stiffer, then Discho Iontec Salmon 1.20mm would be worth a go. Similar sort of playing characteristics to Scorpion, but in a firmer meatier playing package. pvaudio likes both, so make of that what you will.

My comments on it are: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showp...1&postcount=19