love and hate relationships in the 70´s and 80´s rivalries

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BauerAlmeida

Borg and Vilas were good friends.

Why the hate between Vitas and Lendl?

Borg and Vilas were close till Tiriac took over Vilas.

Vitas and Lendl were night and day or oil and water.No possible mixture.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Mustard

Connors and Ashe is a lot more complicated than just hate. I've seen them laughing and joking together when Ashe was on TV interviewing Connors. Borg and Vilas were close friends initially, but grew apart after Vilas got closer to Tiriac.

As for Gerulaitis, he obviously didn't like Lendl, as mentioned, and also had a big falling out with Fibak. There was mutual loathing between Gerulaitis and Fibak in their 1980 French Open and 1980 Wimbledon 5-set matches.

Connors and Tanner was always an intense rivalry, but I always thought they had respect more than hate.



Could Connors have shaken Vilas' hand, considering that the court was swamped with fans in an instant following that controversial linecall that ended the match? What was undeniable is that Connors was very bitter about how that match ended.

Wasn´t Connors who wrotte on the Goteborg´s clay court

"**** YOU ARTIE "?

[Mustard]

Originally Posted by kiki

Wasn´t Connors who wrotte on the Goteborg´s clay court

"**** YOU ARTIE "?

Yes, that's right. But Ashe got Connors to play Davis Cup full-time in 1984 in the first place.

[Paul Murphy]

Originally Posted by jaggy

Yes Lendl helped Sampras with conditioning when he was breaking into the tour.

Yes, he let him stay at his house and practice with him.
Took him under his wing, as they say.
Sampras always spoke fondly of Lendl and the help he gave him.
I wonder if Lendl ever regretted that - he took a couple of bad losses in Australia from Pete around 1992 from memory.

[You Can't Be Serious]

Gilbert vs. McEnroe. Just read Winning Ugly. Says it all.

[Great Uncle Bulgaria]

McEnroe was on very bad term with Bill Scanlon. Read Scanlon's book but can't remember what the cause was.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Great Uncle Bulgaria

McEnroe was on very bad term with Bill Scanlon. Read Scanlon's book but can't remember what the cause was.

great one, since Mac and Scanlon were so bad that Bill got to play doubles with Ivan¡¡¡¡

Having said that, Scanlon was a very good player that baggeled Borg indoors and I think he may be the greatest non top 10 ever.

[Pebbles10]

i think Lendl and Wilander really did respect each other! Lendl have always talked great about Wilander.

Dont think wilander didnt like Becker. Have never heard wilander talk bad about any player.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Great Uncle Bulgaria

McEnroe was on very bad term with Bill Scanlon. Read Scanlon's book but can't remember what the cause was.

That is very true.Scanlon hated Mac so much, he even become the only guy to team up for doubles with....Ivan Lendl¡¡¡¡.Probably, instead of tipping down each other, they spent changeovers wearing Mac down.

I would also like to knwo where did it start up.Scanlon, in 1977, was considered the best uncoming american player and had a very good WCT tour, when he was just 20.

[kiki]

Wilander and Edberg??? well, Edberg got married to Mats girlfriend, Annette.

Another popular fiancee was Stacy Margolin, who dated John Mc Enroe till 1980 or 1981.

[jaggy]

From memory I think Scanlon just got under Macs skin and Mac believing he was the chosen one let it fester.

[DMan]

Originally Posted by kiki

There are things you just notice if you are aware of body language...plus pro jounalist of those years that usually covered the game will tell you a few cases.

So body language, and hearsay have determined who "hated" who on the pro tour!

Well, there you have it!

[looseleftie]

Lleyton Spewitt....

Love the player, love the passion and determination, but the man, such a pi$$ poor bloke.. Poor sportsmanship, and incredibly naive and stupid at times...

[kiki]

Originally Posted by looseleftie

Lleyton Spewitt....

Love the player, love the passion and determination, but the man, such a pi$$ poor bloke.. Poor sportsmanship, and incredibly naive and stupid at times...

In Golden Era, he would be a mere upper class journeyman like Solomon or Dibbs and, in no case any better than Chang¡¡¡¡

[Jack the Hack]

Originally Posted by kiki

Wilander and Edberg??? well, Edberg got married to Mats girlfriend, Annette.

Mats Wilander broke up with Annette Olsen in 1985. At the time, he was 21 and she was 19. Wilander married Sonya Mulholland, a South African model in January of 1988. I'm not sure when they started dating, but Stefan Edberg didn't marry Annette until April of 1992, seven years after her relationship with Mats ended.

As far as I remember, all of the Swedish players were friendly and hung out with each other on the tour, including Edberg and Wilander. I don't recall either of them "hating" anyone, especially each other!

Where did you get all of this stuff? Seems like you just made it up...

[kiki]

Originally Posted by Jack the Hack

Mats Wilander broke up with Annette Olsen in 1985. At the time, he was 21 and she was 19. Wilander married Sonya Mulholland, a South African model in January of 1988. I'm not sure when they started dating, but Stefan Edberg didn't marry Annette until April of 1992, seven years after her relationship with Mats ended.

As far as I remember, all of the Swedish players were friendly and hung out with each other on the tour, including Edberg and Wilander. I don't recall either of them "hating" anyone, especially each other!

Where did you get all of this stuff? Seems like you just made it up...

yes, I did not mean there was any bad feelings, because the flematic sweden do not let women interfere in their relationship¡¡¡ well, Edberg and Wilander knew each other longtime and their rivalry was more a competitive rivalry between 2 of the best players in the world...and, given both were Sweden, a competition between orthodoxy (Wilander) and unorthodoxy (Edberg)

How comes Stefan loved the S&V game since he was just a kid I don´t know...maybe he hated Borg?

[Mustard]

It was January 1987 when Mats Wilander married Sonya Mulholland. That's why Wilander didn't play the Australian Open that year, the last one held on the grass-courts of Kooyong. Wilander and Mulholland had met at the 1985 US Open, a few months after Wilander had split with Annette Olsen.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by kiki

In Golden Era, he would be a mere upper class journeyman like Solomon or Dibbs and, in no case any better than Chang¡¡¡¡

I agree.

I guess Ken Rosewall did not like Connors too much after his severe defeats by Jimbo...

[kiki]

Oh¡ I forgot Ivan had another friend on tour not named Fibak and Scanlon...he was pretty good friends with Andres Gomez ( maybe because Ivan always beat Andres,except at their last years of play???)

[kiki]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

I agree.

I guess Ken Rosewall did not like Connors too much after his severe defeats by Jimbo...

No one liked Jimbo in 1974-1977, except Nastase and, to some extent Gerulaitis and Panatta.I don´t think he was much loved afterwards although many people here posted he was in excellent terms with Krickstein.I think Clerc was another guy in very good terms with Connors ( maybe cause Clerc was beating Lendl and, sometimes, Mac???).