Wealthy Families and Scholarships

[Satsuma Illini]

Originally Posted by goober

ok Jim Mora is getting out of hand. Justin Combs was at least a D1 prospect at least a low level. Now UCLA has offered Snoop Dog's son who has only played one year of football and is a sophomoreThat's crazy. Even the top 5 star prospects don't get offers as sophmores.

Money, Money, Money

[tball2day]

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[dennis10is]

You can always blame foreigners, women and if desperate non-Christians.

This pretty much covers the blame for almost everything.

Ask not what I can do to improve my situation in life, ask which groups I can blame for my misfortunes.

[Satsuma Illini]

Originally Posted by dennis10is

You can always blame foreigners, women and if desperate non-Christians.

This pretty much covers the blame for almost everything.

Ask not what I can do to improve my situation in life, ask which groups I can blame for my misfortunes.

It's the American way! 21st century style.

[TeflonTom]

Originally Posted by goran_ace

"This isn’t financial aid. It’s not a needs-based scholarship; it’s a merit-based one."

My sentiments exactly.

yeah this. sports scholarships are about getting talent to the school

if u want to get rid of scholarships for merit and make everything needs based then u are talkin about a completely different system.

[goober]

Originally Posted by TeflonTom

yeah this. sports scholarships are about getting talent to the school

if u want to get rid of scholarships for merit and make everything needs based then u are talkin about a completely different system.

but this is a little different.
Snoop dog's kid not merit based, PDiddy's kid borderline merit. I think this more about getting sons of wealthy celebrities to add cache to your football program and recruiting influence for the 4 and 5 star players. Maybe they will get some $$ donations out of it as well.

[TeflonTom]

yeah well thats the point. its about attracting talent, dollars, whatever

sports schols in us arent really needs based

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by goober

but this is a little different.
Snoop dog's kid not merit based, PDiddy's kid borderline merit. I think this more about getting sons of wealthy celebrities to add cache to your football program and recruiting influence for the 4 and 5 star players. Maybe they will get some $$ donations out of it as well.

The validity of the merit is up to the school. They make offers and that is their decision. They have to live with it. They can offer anything in their coffers to anyone they desire.

What also happens is that the kid can accept the offer and decline any aid. The two sides are independent.

The general idea that a multi millionaires kid is accepting aid is what aggravates the masses. The decision to take money is the kids. If he were to accept a spot on the team and turn down the scholarship, he would look like a hero. If he doesn't, he just looks greedy.

[goober]

Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

The general idea that a multi millionaires kid is accepting aid is what aggravates the masses. The decision to take money is the kids. If he were to accept a spot on the team and turn down the scholarship, he would look like a hero. If he doesn't, he just looks greedy.

I would be surprised if either one of these kids turns down the scholie and plays for free. Actually I would be shocked. There is increased prestige among the players with a scholie versus those who don't have one and walked on. It adds an air of legitimacy to your athletic ability. I can think only 1-2 incidences of players from wealthy families turning down scholies to give to another player and playing for free. OTOH I can think of many, many players from wealthy families taking the money and playing.

[NickC]

Originally Posted by goober

Even the top 5 star prospects don't get offers as sophmores.

That's not true, I personally know someone who was verbally offered a full ride to swim at a very large program in the Big 10 while she was still in 8th grade.

Plus, John Calapari got a 6th grader to commit to Kentucky.

Football may be different, but when I was in high school, the best football players were taking campus visits and talking to coaches by the end of their freshman year.

[Tennishacker]

Originally Posted by NickC

That's not true, I personally know someone who was verbally offered a full ride to swim at a very large program in the Big 10 while she was still in 8th grade.

Plus, John Calapari got a 6th grader to commit to Kentucky.

Football may be different, but when I was in high school, the best football players were taking campus visits and talking to coaches by the end of their freshman year.

Yes it also happens in tennis.

I know a girl at USC that was offered her freshman or sophomore year in high school.

[goober]

Originally Posted by NickC

That's not true, I personally know someone who was verbally offered a full ride to swim at a very large program in the Big 10 while she was still in 8th grade.

Plus, John Calapari got a 6th grader to commit to Kentucky.

Football may be different, but when I was in high school, the best football players were taking campus visits and talking to coaches by the end of their freshman year.

I was specifically talking about football. There is a huge difference between taking a campus visits and getting an actual offer. Anyone can visit a campus on their own dime any time they want. You could be a 2 star prospect. If you actually follow college football recruiting you would know that this is pretty uncommon to get a offer as a sophmore. I am pretty sure that this is one of UCLA's firsts offer to a sophmore in football Most recruiting services will not even assign 5 star ratings to freshman and sophmores in football. It does happen, but not very often. This guy only played one year of football and is not some athletic freak.

In other sports I am very aware that it happens.

[goober]

Apprently in college football the NCAA changed the rules in 2010 to that no written offers can be made till Aug 1 going into your senior year. So there is actually a very recent trend to start making verbal offers earlier and earlier, but these are completely nonbinding on the schools and the player. So these verbal offers to sophs are actually not that meaningful since the school can pull them if you don't progress like they think you should in their junior and senior years. U Miss gave so far has given out 239 verbal offers this year. Since schools are limited to max 25 per class, you can bet many of the verbal offers are not going to mean much. If you offer 10 RBs and all 10 RB committ, Ole Miss is probably not going to take more than 2 of them.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by goober

Apprently in college football the NCAA changed the rules in 2010 to that no written offers can be made till Aug 1 going into your senior year. So there is actually a very recent trend to start making verbal offers earlier and earlier, but these are completely nonbinding on the schools and the player. So these verbal offers to sophs are actually not that meaningful since the school can pull them if you don't progress like they think you should in their junior and senior years. U Miss gave so far has given out 239 verbal offers this year. Since schools are limited to max 25 per class, you can bet many of the verbal offers are not going to mean much. If you offer 10 RBs and all 10 RB committ, Ole Miss is probably not going to take more than 2 of them.

Yes, verbal commitments are not binding.

But..............there are serious adverse implications for a program that gets a reputation for reneging on its verbals. I don't know the facts, but if UMiss (Ole Miss, right?) gave out 239 verbals before any were rejected.....I think I can better come to grips with their W-L record in SEC football.

[floridatennisdude]

Originally Posted by goober

I would be surprised if either one of these kids turns down the scholie and plays for free. Actually I would be shocked. There is increased prestige among the players with a scholie versus those who don't have one and walked on. It adds an air of legitimacy to your athletic ability. I can think only 1-2 incidences of players from wealthy families turning down scholies to give to another player and playing for free. OTOH I can think of many, many players from wealthy families taking the money and playing.

There's a difference between rich people and wealthy people. An NFL player is rich. A media mogul is wealthy. Rich folks can provide for their kids. Wealthy ones can provide for their great grand kids.

I don't have a firm cutoff, but if P-Diddy buys one of his kids a $300k car for his 16th birthday...I'm thinking wealthy. The kind of wealth that could fund an endowed scholarship for the program in perpetuity.

[SoCal10s]

Originally Posted by Tennishacker

Yes it also happens in tennis.

I know a girl at USC that was offered her freshman or sophomore year in high school.

in which sport ? tennis?? no USC has been the nation's top pick in tennis.. if you said Krista H. maybe but I can't see anyone else ,but she's going to Standford ...

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by SoCal10s

in which sport ? tennis?? no USC has been the nation's top pick in tennis..

Madison Westby

[SoCal10s]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Madison Westby

you've gotto be kidding ? there are a few local girls better than her ... Hibi,Marakova,Andrews,Xie,even Yee from Vagas .. why would USC go after her? no wonder they don't have NCAA rings like the men's team...

[Misterbill]

Not to take anything away from the local players you named, but Madison Westby is a fine prospect. I think she would be credit to any program.

[SoCal10s]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Not to take anything away from the local players you named, but Madison Westby is a fine prospect. I think she would be credit to any program.

I've never seen Madison play so I can't really say .. maybe I don't know much about college recruiting ,but if I wanted to be the top NCAA team in the country ,I would go after the top 5 players from the recruiting class .. then I would go after some top foreigners from the ITF list.. with all that USC has to offer ,I think they could do better in recruiting ..