Lew Hoad-A discussion on his career

[pc1]

Originally Posted by Mustard

And here's the final result of the 1959 4-man tour:

1. Pancho Gonzales 47-15
2. Lew Hoad 42-20
3. Ashley Cooper 21-40
4. Mal Anderson 13-48

Gonzalez beat Cooper and Anderson by a combined total of 34 to 0. Gonzalez was 13-15 against Hoad. Hoad was a combined 27-7 against Cooper and Anderson.

Originally Posted by kiki

Imo Hoad is the only guy who could be legitimate GOAT without focusing too much on records.So terrific was his peak and Rosewall and Gonzalezknew ot

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

Fine that you post again. I almost had missed you a few days...

I guess you both missed each other.

[kiki]

While Hoad peak may have been the best ever,the fact he never sized against Kodes will always leave a big question mark

[pc1]

Originally Posted by kiki

While Hoad peak may have been the best ever,the fact he never sized against Kodes will always leave a big question mark

It's funny I was just going to ask you that but decided not to. You're a mind reader.

But I understand, any past or future GOATs will have question marks because they never played Jan Kodes. This is not true of Laver, Rosewall and Borg.

[hoodjem]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archives...654969?page=11

1. Lew Hoad (Aus) - Contested six major finals, winning four - including two Wimbledons - during a brief amateur career before turning professional. Ranked No. 1 in the world in 1956 when he won three of four slams. Strengths: "Power, volleying and explosiveness."



Pancho and Rocket agree. Hoad was the BOAT.

[pc1]

Originally Posted by hoodjem

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archives...654969?page=11

1. Lew Hoad (Aus) - Contested six major finals, winning four - including two Wimbledons - during a brief amateur career before turning professional. Ranked No. 1 in the world in 1956 when he won three of four slams. Strengths: "Power, volleying and explosiveness."



Pancho and Rocket agree. Hoad was the BOAT.

From now on we should use the term BOAT because I'm getting sick of using the term GOAT.

It's interesting that they agree by the way since they both had winning records against him. I would tend to think that they both (Gonzalez and Laver) thought of themselves as the BOAT.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by pc1

It's funny I was just going to ask you that but decided not to. You're a mind reader.

But I understand, any past or future GOATs will have question marks because they never played Jan Kodes. This is not true of Laver, Rosewall and Borg.

Yeah and Newcombe and Nastase too.Bobby one and Lobb are still battling it out?
A bit of Kodes will be needed to calm it down.and a bit of Vines too

[pc1]

BobbyOne,

Do you have any information on Hoad's head to heads against the top player in the Old Pro Tour when he was at his peak?

From simple heresay Kramer for example said Hoad lost most of the time to Segura but Kramer has been known to be incorrect. I'm certain he lost most of his matches to Gonzalez but what about some of the others?

[pc1]

Originally Posted by kiki

Yeah and Newcombe and Nastase too.Bobby one and Lobb are still battling it out?
A bit of Kodes will be needed to calm it down.and a bit of Vines too

We need a little wine and a sitdown with Kodes and talk about Vines.

I am not battling with Lobb anymore. It's fruitless. Let's just write about Hoad and Kodes instead.

[kiki]

Originally Posted by pc1

We need a little wine and a sitdown with Kodes and talk about Vines.

I am not battling with Lobb anymore. It's fruitless. Let's just write about Hoad and Kodes instead.

Definitely a nice idea.A great czech pilsen will do

[pc1]

Originally Posted by BobbyOne

I agree.

But Hoad also lost several pro majors' finals when he was in his prime (French Pro 1958, US Pro 1958 and 1959 and even lost a couple of matches before reaching the final (Wembley 1957, 1959, French pro 1959)...

Incidentally I was remiss in not writing that overall Hoad was 4-2 on classic majors finals.

[treblings]

Originally Posted by kiki

Definitely a nice idea.A great czech pilsen will do

a pilsen will do just fine
although one pilsen is like playing one set of tennis, not really enough

i heard a story once about how Hoad served a large beer to Newcombe on live television, only he had spiked it with a shot of whiskey. anybody else remembers that?

[kiki]

Originally Posted by treblings

a pilsen will do just fine
although one pilsen is like playing one set of tennis, not really enough

i heard a story once about how Hoad served a large beer to Newcombe on live television, only he had spiked it with a shot of whiskey. anybody else remembers that?

I would love to have the aussies ranked by their drinking tank any suggestion?

[urban]

Yes. Newcombe had to take the spiced beer with one big strike. And he gulped it down at once. Couldn't hardly stand afterwards.

[urban]

1 Hoad 20 beers to 6 wiskeys, 2 Emerson 14- 5, 3 Newcombe 12-3.

[treblings]

Originally Posted by kiki

I would love to have the aussies ranked by their drinking tank any suggestion?

Hoad would be goat but even in the 80´s players like McNamara/McNamee(loved that doubles team) held up that proud beer drinking tradition,
for example at the World Team Cup in Düsseldorf

[pc1]

Originally Posted by treblings

Hoad would be goat but even in the 80´s players like McNamara/McNamee(loved that doubles team) held up that proud beer drinking tradition,
for example at the World Team Cup in Düsseldorf

Hoad is legendary in the beverage area too.

[treblings]

Originally Posted by urban

Yes. Newcombe had to take the spiced beer with one big strike. And he gulped it down at once. Couldn't hardly stand afterwards.

that´s how i remembered it as well. would be nice to have that on youtube

[hoodjem]

Originally Posted by urban

1 Hoad 20 beers to 6 whiskeys, . . .

Maybe that's what Pancho meant when he said, "Even at my best, Hoad could beat me."

It was cervezas versus lagers.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by kiki

I was learning history

At least I can stress that you learnt history much better than Dan did.

[BobbyOne]

Originally Posted by pc1

BobbyOne,

Do you have any information on Hoad's head to heads against the top player in the Old Pro Tour when he was at his peak?

From simple heresay Kramer for example said Hoad lost most of the time to Segura but Kramer has been known to be incorrect. I'm certain he lost most of his matches to Gonzalez but what about some of the others?

pc1,

I don't know the balances of Hoad as a pro.

I believe that Kramer meant only the 1957 4 man tour where Segura had the edge against Hoad.

And I know that Hoad and Rosewall were 14:14 in December 1957 (only pro matches)

I do know that generally (amateur and pro) Hoad was 59:83 against his buddy Rosewall. But also here some matches seem to be missing.