2012 College Football

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

I'm comparing them to their conference and the question is why do the other ACC teams stink? We all know the SEC/Pac 12/Big 12 are better conferences. Va Tech has dominated Miami lately, violation years included.

I care about violations. I know most fans are mouth-breathers that never even attended 'their' school, let alone played for said school. Did UCF win enough to make the NCAA notice? How about East Carolina? Indiana? Baylor? Cal? Cincinnati? Louisiana-Lafayette? I'm glad VaTech isn't winning games to the tune of these guys...we'd really be in trouble.

I lived in VA until the age of 22. My family is still there, in Roanoke, Bburg, Va Beach, Cville. All states bandwagon behind their state schools. Like I said, go to South Carolina and listen to them whine and moan 12 months per year about the Gamecocks and Tigers. WVA loves them some Mountaineers.

This.

I didn't play for Oregon, like you played for VT, but I am an Alumnus and have been a huge fan since I started attending in 2002. I've been with Oregon when we would struggle to win 6-7 games a year, and I've been there for the crappy seasons along with the great last four years we've had.

I care about violations. I'm still terrified that the NCAA is going to lower the boom on us for Willie Lyles. I know every team does it, but I don't want to be lumped in that group or penalized for trying to get an edge. We're winning, we have a tremendous coach, great facilities and we have the flashiest gear in all of football. Those should be the only edges we need as far as recruiting goes.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

I'll add the Georgia Bulldogs to the list. They were 'supposed' to win the SEC east the last 10 years (and have won 4 or 5) but haven't been able to break through against the big dogs . Certainly not on the scale of Notre Dame or Michigan but their fans are foaming at the mouth.

Yeah UGA could definitely be on that list. The media just so desperately wants the "ol' traditional powers" to be legit again, it's disgusting. The Notre Dame fellatio fest after they beat MSU was pretty pitiful, and Lou Holtz is probably on a Viagra drip preparing for ND/Michigan this weekend.

They should rename this game "The Has Been Bowl".

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by BigServer1

This.

I didn't play for Oregon, like you played for VT, but I am an Alumnus and have been a huge fan since I started attending in 2002. I've been with Oregon when we would struggle to win 6-7 games a year, and I've been there for the crappy seasons along with the great last four years we've had.

I care about violations. I'm still terrified that the NCAA is going to lower the boom on us for Willie Lyles. I know every team does it, but I don't want to be lumped in that group or penalized for trying to get an edge. We're winning, we have a tremendous coach, great facilities and we have the flashiest gear in all of football. Those should be the only edges we need as far as recruiting goes.

I think the gear and Nike connection is a huge draw for Oregon. Not to mention with the exception of USC, where else will the large Cali talent base go to play big boy football close to home? Don't worry, Oregon will never be as dirty as USC or the top SEC schools. Not sure it's even possible.

You gotta stick with the team through thick and thin. That's what separates fans like us from USC fans. My father-in-law went to Cal and one big wish in life is to see Cal in a Rose Bowl before he kicks the bucket.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

Hah!! I'll put fellatio fest in the memory banks. Wake me up in 8 weeks and tell me how Notre Dame is doing. Looking forward to FSU/Clemson and Oregon/AZ this weekend. Good luck, though I think the Ducks will handle AZ.

Thanks, I think we'll be alright, but Arizona usually plays us tough and their offense looks legit this year. The first test for our "good" defense that we're apparently sporting this year.

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by BigServer1

I care about violations. I'm still terrified that the NCAA is going to lower the boom on us for Willie Lyles. I know every team does it, but I don't want to be lumped in that group or penalized for trying to get an edge. We're winning, we have a tremendous coach, great facilities and we have the flashiest gear in all of football. Those should be the only edges we need as far as recruiting goes.

I dont think Oregons unis are flashy but most of them are the ugliest unis in the nation. I like their all white ones with either the white helmet or green helmet but the rest of their unis are ridiculous IMO.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

I dont think Oregons unis are flashy but most of them are the ugliest unis in the nation. I like their all white ones with either the white helmet or green helmet but the rest of their unis are ridiculous IMO.

Luckily, 17 and 18 year old football studs disagree with you. Some people hate our unis...That's cool, everyone is different. I think they're dope, and they've had a hugely positive impact on our recruiting.

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by BigServer1

Luckily, 17 and 18 year old football studs disagree with you. Some people hate our unis...That's cool, everyone is different. I think they're dope, and they've had a hugely positive impact on our recruiting.

Lucky that Alabamas taken to the flashy unis to keep drawing in the 5 star recruits huh? If they had some boring unis, theres no way they could beat the teams with the dope unis.

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

Lucky that Alabamas taken to the flashy unis to keep drawing in the 5 star recruits huh? If they had some boring unis, theres no way they could beat the teams with the dope unis.

That's not my point at all.

When you're not a traditional football power (Alabama, LSU, USC, ND, Michigan and some others), it's harder to recruit blue chip kids. Oregon has differentiated themselves with uniforms. They're eye catching, and they get a lot of buzz...Any press is good press in this regard. The fact that we have a locker room that rivals most in the NFL, the connection with Nike, the speed of the offense and the teams success obviously also help immensely.

It's clearly working for Oregon. In the last 12 years the program has gone from a perennial bottom dwellar to a perennial top 10 program.

[volleygirl]

Originally Posted by BigServer1

That's not my point at all.

When you're not a traditional football power (Alabama, LSU, USC, ND, Michigan and some others), it's harder to recruit blue chip kids. Oregon has differentiated themselves with uniforms. They're eye catching, and they get a lot of buzz...Any press is good press in this regard. The fact that we have a locker room that rivals most in the NFL, the connection with Nike, the speed of the offense and the teams success obviously also help immensely.

It's clearly working for Oregon. In the last 12 years the program has gone from a perennial bottom dwellar to a perennial top 10 program.

They were a pretty good program 10 years ago before they switched uniforms. They werent as good as they have been the last 3 or 4 years thats for sure but didnt Joey harrington take them to the Rose Bowl in their old unis?

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

They were a pretty good program 10 years ago before they switched uniforms. They werent as good as they have been the last 3 or 4 years thats for sure but didnt Joey harrington take them to the Rose Bowl in their old unis?

Agree with Big. Colin Cowherd and others on radio have noted that top recruits actually mention Oregon's gear/Nike connection as a big draw.

Bama is a traditional power and likely has a little under the table action going. Why else would anyone want to move to Tuscaloosa?

[BigServer1]

Originally Posted by volleygirl

They were a pretty good program 10 years ago before they switched uniforms. They werent as good as they have been the last 3 or 4 years thats for sure but didnt Joey harrington take them to the Rose Bowl in their old unis?

Yeah we won the Fiesta Bowl in 2002, but that was after the Nike/Phil Knight connection exploded. The unis over the last 8-10 years have just continued where that left off.

[jamesblakefan#1]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

Agree with Big. Colin Cowherd and others on radio have noted that top recruits actually mention Oregon's gear/Nike connection as a big draw.

Bama is a traditional power and likely has a little under the table action going. Why else would anyone want to move to Tuscaloosa?

What is it with your hangup on 'under the table' action? Face it, 9/10 CFB programs have a little 'under the table' action happening. Look at the top 10 right now and tell me which program you think is completely clean? Maybe Stanford, but that's it.

You can use the 'why would anyone wanna move to X" argument for pretty much any place. Hell I know Blacksburg isn't that fun a place either. Not that I think Tech cheats, bc I don't. Nor do I think Bama is clean BTW.

[Power Player]

Kevin Just knows the game a lot better than you man. A lot of us know the dirtier programs from interactions with players and assistant coaches..etc.

When you steal a recruit from the state of alabama it is a major major win. It just doesnt happen. People do get paid there more than other places.

there is no hangup on under the table action. It is a big part of college football.

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by jamesblakefan#1

What is it with your hangup on 'under the table' action? Face it, 9/10 CFB programs have a little 'under the table' action happening. Look at the top 10 right now and tell me which program you think is completely clean? Maybe Stanford, but that's it.

You can use the 'why would anyone wanna move to X" argument for pretty much any place. Hell I know Blacksburg isn't that fun a place either. Not that I think Tech cheats, bc I don't. Nor do I think Bama is clean BTW.

My 'hangup' is because it's illegal. Just because everyone does it, doesn't make it right, a la Tour de France or steroids in baseball, etc. I'm talking pay to play and academic fraud. I'm not worried about the piddly stuff like a poor kid getting a plane ride home if a relative dies or going to Denny's for dinner with the D line coach. Stanford seems pretty clean. I'd probably add K-State and TCU to the list. With the exception of Oregon, the remainder are old school 'good 'ole boy' football programs.

[Power Player]

On a legit front, what I love about FSU's recruiting is how Jimbo built it. All our coaches are stud recruiters. Established pipelines with High schools and guys who know the regions. stuff like that makes a giant difference. These kids play forJimbo because he understands them as people and not just players.

Are we paying them? I honestly do not know, but since we are a saban inspired team, I would have to imagine its a possibility. Id like to think not, as I hold Jimbo in very high regard.

[Kevin T]

Originally Posted by Power Player

On a legit front, what I love about FSU's recruiting is how Jimbo built it. All our coaches are stud recruiters. Established pipelines with High schools and guys who know the regions. stuff like that makes a giant difference. These kids play forJimbo because he understands them as people and not just players.

Are we paying them? I honestly do not know, but since we are a saban inspired team, I would have to imagine its a possibility. Id like to think not, as I hold Jimbo in very high regard.

Jimbo isn't paying them. That's the beauty. If there's a hard core fanbase of alums and football is religion, there's a very good chance. The SEC is the dirtiest all around, no doubt about it. With the exception of Vandy, EVERY SEC school has had at least one period of probabation since the 1980's, even lowly Kentucky, Ole Miss and Miss St. Bama has been on probation 3 times in the last 25 years. The Texas schools also don't fare so well.

As for Jimbo, time will tell. I was a teaching/grad assistant at UK when Tubby Smith was there and he was legit. UK also had some lean years after Tubby went through Pitino's recruits and got canned. I've told this story before here on TW but Tubby (not an assistant) personally checked up on his players. He's a good man and cared for his players. I was an adjunct professor at a formerly IAA school in South Carolina while interning in Charleston. Let me tell you, I felt pressure from coaches there like I haven't known since, even at larger unis.

[Kevin T]

Actually, I take my SEC comment back. I forgot that Mizzou is in the SEC now. With Mizzou leaving, every team in the Big 12 has been on probation at one time or another, while the SEC has Vandy and Mizzou having never been on probation. The Big 12 is the official winner of 'Dirtiest Football Conference'

And a shout out to r2 and his Iowa Hawkeyes, one of only a handful of teams in NCAA history with the distinction of a national title and no history of probation.

[r2473]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

And a shout out to r2 and his Iowa Hawkeyes, one of only a handful of teams in NCAA history with the distinction of a national title and no history of probation.

Feel free to sing along:

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[jamesblakefan#1]

730 yards passing by Heinicke! Amazing.

[ollinger]

Roo Ha Roo Ha Rutgers Rah!! Scarlet Knights spank the hog, remain undefeated. Meineke Muffler Bowl, here we come!!