Say NO to secondhand smoke!

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

This notion of a "premature" death is ridiculous. It suggests you're going to die before you're "ready", except noone wants to die before they're ready.

And quite frankly, I don't hear anyone verbally lynching a group about having to breathe in charcoal smoke from the neighbors barbecue, CO gas while sitting at a traffic light, forest fires, the scent of fried junkfood as they pass a mc donald's, or anything else that is a short term annoyance. Leave everyone who is not you, alone to live how they please.

So, in your mind, dying from cancer of the mouth, throat or lungs, tobacco induced emphysema or accelerated arterial schlerosis, is ridiculous? That's a pretty idiotic statement.

BTW, your right to live how you please ends at my nose, and eyes. Equating the smell of fried food to the smell of burning cigarette smoke is equally idiotic.

[Bowtiesarecool]

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter

So, in your mind, dying from cancer of the mouth, throat or lungs, tobacco induced emphysema or accelerated arterial schlerosis, is ridiculous? That's a pretty idiotic statement.

BTW, your right to live how you please ends at my nose, and eyes. Equating the smell of fried food to the smell of burning cigarette smoke is equally idiotic.

No, you argue that breathing in smoke from some guy for 4 minutes is deffinitely going to give you health problems. That is simply untrue and you know it. Ocasionally breathing in second hand smoke is an annoyance, and something you can completely control simply by walking away.

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

No, you argue that breathing in smoke from some guy for 4 minutes is deffinitely going to give you health problems. That is simply untrue and you know it. Ocasionally breathing in second hand smoke is an annoyance, and something you can completely control simply by walking away.

That's a lie, otherwise known as a strawman, that you manufactured to argue against, since you can't argue against my actual premises. I never argued anything of the kind.

And, BTW, if someone is smoking near me, I'm not the one who is going to walk away. He is.

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter

Only a simpleton would presume that that is what was implied.

Really?? What then, were you implying with: "But, we are not all going to die "prematurely," and cause those around us to die prematurely, because we are foolish enough to become addicted to a highly toxic, dangerous, drug."?

That nonsmokers are going to die "prematurely" of something else? I don't think so...

[r2473]

Originally Posted by LuckyR

News Flash!! We're all gonna die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhRjyLLUdhw

Originally Posted by LuckyR

Enjoy the life you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyihQtBes1I

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by LuckyR

Really?? What then, were you implying with: "But, we are not all going to die "prematurely," and cause those around us to die prematurely, because we are foolish enough to become addicted to a highly toxic, dangerous, drug."?

That nonsmokers are going to die "prematurely" of something else? I don't think so...

Another lie, another strawman to argue against since you can't argue against my actual premises. I never expressed, nor implied, that non-smokers can never die prematurely. I said that smokers will die prematurely, for one reason, or another.

Originally Posted by LuckyR

News Flash!! We're all gonna die. Enjoy the life you have.

Dying from cancer, emphysema and heart disease isn't a very enjoyable way to live your life.

[Bowtiesarecool]

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter

That's a lie, otherwise known as a strawman, that you manufactured to argue against, since you can't argue against my actual premises. I never argued anything of the kind.

And, BTW, if someone is smoking near me, I'm not the one who is going to walk away. He is.

< If you were there first, I can't imagine any decent person not willing to be the one to move away from you. If I were a smoker and was there first, I'd love to see you try to force me to move.

"And he will almost certainly die prematurely from either accelerated cardiovascular disease, cancer or emphysema. This, in addition to the adverse health affects on those he lives and works with."

Right there, you imply that those he lives and works with will develop health issues as a result of being around him. A false statement since you cannot predict whether or not he smokes around these people.

"But, we are not all going to die "prematurely," and cause those around us to die prematurely..."

There's another one.

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

< If you were there first, I can't imagine any decent person not willing to be the one to move away from you. If I were a smoker and was there first, I'd love to see you try to force me to move.

"And he will almost certainly die prematurely from either accelerated cardiovascular disease, cancer or emphysema. This, in addition to the adverse health affects on those he lives and works with."

Right there, you imply that those he lives and works with will develop health issues as a result of being around him. A false statement since you cannot predict whether or not he smokes around these people.

"But, we are not all going to die "prematurely," and cause those around us to die prematurely..."

There's another one.

Another strawman. This is your false premise:

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

No, you argue that breathing in smoke from some guy for 4 minutes is deffinitely going to give you health problems. That is simply untrue and you know it. Ocasionally breathing in second hand smoke is an annoyance, and something you can completely control simply by walking away.

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by r2473

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhRjyLLUdhw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyihQtBes1I

BOC's classic is way, way better than the spelling skills of the transcriber...


I thought the leopard coat was pretty funny, but I don't know if that was intended...

[Bowtiesarecool]

If you feel I somehow am wrong for arguing against a statement you most deffinitely made, feel free to clarify. Trolling the thread, denying that you said something when it is clear to anyone you did, isn't going to help your argument. The fact is, you implied being around someone who is smoking will cause you health issues, and a "premature" death.

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

If you feel I somehow am wrong for arguing against a statement you most deffinitely made, feel free to clarify. Trolling the thread, denying that you said something when it is clear to anyone you did, isn't going to help your argument. The fact is, you implied being around someone who is smoking will cause you health issues, and a "premature" death.

I'm not trolling, you are. Show me where I made this statement:

Originally Posted by Bowtiesarecool

No, you argue that breathing in smoke from some guy for 4 minutes is deffinitely going to give you health problems. That is simply untrue and you know it. . . .

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter

Another lie, another strawman to argue against since you can't argue against my actual premises. I never expressed, nor implied, that non-smokers can never die prematurely. I said that smokers will die prematurely, for one reason, or another.



Dying from cancer, emphysema and heart disease isn't a very enjoyable way to live your life.

The first bolded word is part of the definition of "strawman", since you brought up that subject...

Your second bolded word is in fact inaccurate, but even if it were true, since even you agree that statistically plenty of folks die "prematurely", smoker or not, so it would fall into the category of: "true but of little importance".

Listen, everyone born after 1930 gets it: smoking has risks. What has been proven again and again is that citizens who don't spend effort in the area of risk assessment, do a very poor job of comparing risks between subjects.

Saying: "smoking is risky" is an empty statement. Saying: "smoking a cigarette is more dangerous than living in NYC for 2 days (in 1979) or living in Denver for 2 months", is making a statement that has some context. BTW it is also untrue, of the three, smoking the cig would be the least dangerous...

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by LuckyR

The first bolded word is part of the definition of "strawman", since you brought up that subject...

Your second bolded word is in fact inaccurate, but even if it were true, since even you agree that statistically plenty of folks die "prematurely", smoker or not, so it would fall into the category of: "true but of little importance".

Listen, everyone born after 1930 gets it: smoking has risks. What has been proven again and again is that citizens who don't spend effort in the area of risk assessment, do a very poor job of comparing risks between subjects.

Saying: "smoking is risky" is an empty statement. Saying: "smoking a cigarette is more dangerous than living in NYC for 2 days (in 1979) or living in Denver for 2 months", is making a statement that has some context. BTW it is also untrue, of the three, smoking the cig would be the least dangerous...

OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what a strawman is. But that's fine, I didn't bring it up for you. It was for any intellectually honest readers who might come across this thread. Worse, your a habitual liar. You just make s**t up as you go along.

[LuckyR]

Originally Posted by Limpinhitter

OK, you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what a strawman is. But that's fine, I didn't bring it up for you. It was for any intellectually honest readers who might come across this thread. Worse, your a habitual liar. You just make s**t up as you go along.

You know me better than that:

Look up: Wilson, R., “Analyzing the Daily Risks of Life.” Technology Review, 81, 1979, pp. 40–46.

[Limpinhitter]

Originally Posted by LuckyR

You know me better than that:

Look up: Wilson, R., “Analyzing the Daily Risks of Life.” Technology Review, 81, 1979, pp. 40–46.

I don't need to look it up. I'm already very well informed about the risks associated with tobacco use.

[Andreas1965]

Originally Posted by Rogael Naderer

Agreed.

I love living in the UK watching the PATHETIC addicts OUTSIDE pubs, clubs, offices and wherever in the cold, wind and rain.

Gives me a laugh everytime.

Originally Posted by floide

Same here in Brazil. In some regions, the addicts have to go outside if they want to smoke their crap. It's humiliating.

First of all, nicotin addiction is considered a disease (ICD F17.* I would guess without looking it up), like diabetes, arthritis or any other. so there's absolutely no need to mock over these people. Would be much better to accept them being a patient and not some inferior being.

second, the best way to live a long and satisfying life would be to show some composure and let other people live like they want. Trying to always be the better person can be exhausting and pretty annoying to others.

[db10s]

I can't stand it, there is someone who had a habit of smoking near the courts... And one day I had trouble breathing while I was playing. Long story short, he said 2HS was to blame and diagnosed me with exercise induced bronchospasms and had me use an inhaler. They should think about other people.

[Andreas1965]

Originally Posted by db10s

I can't stand it, there is someone who had a habit of smoking near the courts... And one day I had trouble breathing while I was playing. Long story short, he said 2HS was to blame and diagnosed me with exercise induced bronchospasms and had me use an inhaler. They should think about other people.

Unless it was an indoor court it's extreme unlikely you inhaled a dose of SHS big enough to cause you trouble. Ever heard about stress-induced asthma? Maybe you just got agitated so much b/c you seem to hate and fear nicotin, that your lungs responded with spasms.

Cool it down man!

[Chas Tennis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ualties_of_war

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_stat...ted_mortality/

[El Diablo]

^^ Ummm, I see. So more people are killed driving (between 35,000 and 50,000 per year in the U.S.) than in war. Should we drive??