Head Pro Stock Really Worth It?

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by terg

Pro stocks are overrated.
Especially the tgk and tgt from head. They are just lighter hairpins of the retail model, nothing more nothing less.
I'm not talking about special racquets made for murray, djoko etc. that's a whole different story.

I love when someone comes here and just writes junk that a few others stated in one way or the other, without understanding the content...

There are TGK and TGT frames that you cannot find in the retail form -- 260.2 -- YT Radical MP 16x19. The Cilic TGK is a totally different layup from the retail frame. The old Wawrinka 238.3 is a totally different layup...

Also, if you have ever played with the siliconed + leaded frame, you would not claim "nothing more and nothing less" about them -- it totally changes the feel, SW and so on of the racket. You can get the TGK/TGT to the SW, balance and weight combination where the retail cannot go...

Therefore, for some, they are golden, for some, they are just the glorified retail...

Furthermore, to the OP, other Pro Stock sticks, like PT57A for example have more advantages -- hairpin weight/available customization with the control, comfort and power combination... If you can handle it, it is a wonderful stick. Not for everyone, though, due to the restricted sweet spot...

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by Hotrocks

I have 3 Pro Stock 238.5 TKG's, weighted up as the retail version, 325 strung and 6pts. head light. I also have the PT630, I-Prestige, You-Tek and 4 IG prestige pro's. I have to say the IG Prestige(stock) plays better than the pro stock frames, my opinion only as we all differ. I fail to believe by adding lead in the hoop area has more integrity than a racquet with same manufactured weight. Manufacture weight meaning all the materials(graphite, etc) combined / lead on the hoop and silicone in the handle. Most pro's use racquets in excess of 325 grams, so why not customize from there, much stronger frame. Just my thoughts as we all have different tastes & feel.

What is the strung weight of your retail IGPP? 345g, 6pt HL. Most Pro rackets that I have seen are 355-365g strung with OG WITH silicone and lead. That would let you put <5g of silicone in your retail racket, which is...nothing.
Pros love the silicone feel. Therefore, this is a simple answer to your retail racket customization idea. Furthermore, some like it less HL, adding the lead around the hoop...
There are many reasons why to start with a 25g lighter hairpin.

[dgoran]

Hej Doc my stock retail IG Radical Pro spot on as advertised:

Unstrung 310 32.1
Strung je 334gr 32.9 cm so bal 4.5pts head light

BTW bit cu u Dallasu Oct 2-5 jel ces biti tamo?

[dr325i]

Originally Posted by dgoran

Hej Doc my stock retail IG Radical Pro spot on as advertised:

Unstrung 310 32.1
Strung je 334gr 32.9 cm so bal 4.5pts head light

BTW bit cu u Dallasu Oct 2-5 jel ces biti tamo?

Odlicno, bicu ovde do 6, palim za Japan onda.
Obavezno se javi!

[chrischris]

My feeling is that pro stocks are better in comfort and feel but some pc 600 and pt 600 and pt280s/pt630s are quite similiar .

[Blaxican10s]

Just played a guy over the weekend who showed up showing off his nice shiny PT57As and I took my retail Pure Drive Roddick frames and put a 6-2, 6-2 beating on him. We weren't even done playing yet before he was mumbing about his frames feeling like mush...

[floydcouncil]

Originally Posted by Blaxican10s

Just played a guy over the weekend who showed up showing off his nice shiny PT57As and I took my retail Pure Drive Roddick frames and put a 6-2, 6-2 beating on him. We weren't even done playing yet before he was mumbing about his frames feeling like mush...

NICE!!! Great job with a "tweener" frame.

[OnyxZ28]

Originally Posted by Blaxican10s

Just played a guy over the weekend who showed up showing off his nice shiny PT57As and I took my retail Pure Drive Roddick frames and put a 6-2, 6-2 beating on him. We weren't even done playing yet before he was mumbing about his frames feeling like mush...

That was your chance to offer him 20 bucks for the rackets!

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by Blaxican10s

Just played a guy over the weekend who showed up showing off his nice shiny PT57As and I took my retail Pure Drive Roddick frames and put a 6-2, 6-2 beating on him. We weren't even done playing yet before he was mumbing about his frames feeling like mush...

Ok, to prove your point , give the guy a chance to hit with your PD Roddicks while you use the PT57a bats and repeat the beatdown 2 and 2

[movdqa]

I imagine someone going from a PDR to a PK Redondo would have the same problem.

[Blaxican10s]

Originally Posted by chrischris

Ok, to prove your point , give the guy a chance to hit with your PD Roddicks while you use the PT57a bats and repeat the beatdown 2 and 2

I play him on Thursday, I fully expect to see him with either a new string job or new frames all together. I'll offer him the chance to play mine before we start

[World Class Forehand]

What pro stock code is Berdych playing with?

[aimr75]

Originally Posted by Blaxican10s

Just played a guy over the weekend who showed up showing off his nice shiny PT57As and I took my retail Pure Drive Roddick frames and put a 6-2, 6-2 beating on him. We weren't even done playing yet before he was mumbing about his frames feeling like mush...

They are racquets, not magical wands. If you're a better player than that got you the win regardless of whether you used a retail racquet or roddicks personal frame. You would suffer the sane beat down against a more competent player using his pt's. The pro stock just gives you a particular feel and playing characteristic which you either like or don't like, nothing more.

[aimr75]

Berdych uses a 260.2

[JDMasFCK]

Originally Posted by aimr75

They are racquets, not magical wands. If you're a better player than that got you the win regardless of whether you used a retail racquet or roddicks personal frame. You would suffer the sane beat down against a more competent player using his pt's. The pro stock just gives you a particular feel and playing characteristic which you either like or don't like, nothing more.

Totally agree..

[chrischris]

Originally Posted by Blaxican10s

I play him on Thursday, I fully expect to see him with either a new string job or new frames all together. I'll offer him the chance to play mine before we start

Ok, there you go. Let us know how it went Thursday!!

[I Heart Thomas Muster]

I hit with a TGK 238.4 this weekend modified with silicone and lead and I was very underwhelmed. Admittedly my expectations might have been a bit high as I was expecting a ton of plow through and a smooth feel. It's my friend's racquet and I haven't put it on the Tuning Center yet to get the specs but after about ten minutes I went back to my YT Rad Pros which felt much more stable and soft. The pro stock had a tinny feel and was more harsh feeling than my Rad Pros.

I am unfamiliar with all the codes and the playing characteristics they designate so maybe the TGK 238.4 is a stiffer pro stock which doesn't work well for me.

[vsbabolat]

Originally Posted by I Heart Thomas Muster

I hit with a TGK 238.4 this weekend modified with silicone and lead and I was very underwhelmed. Admittedly my expectations might have been a bit high as I was expecting a ton of plow through and a smooth feel. It's my friend's racquet and I haven't put it on the Tuning Center yet to get the specs but after about ten minutes I went back to my YT Rad Pros which felt much more stable and soft. The pro stock had a tinny feel and was more harsh feeling than my Rad Pros.

I am unfamiliar with all the codes and the playing characteristics they designate so maybe the TGK 238.4 is a stiffer pro stock which doesn't work well for me.

TGK238.4 is just a Pro Stock YT Prestige MP. Your description is how the retail YT Prestige MP plays. They are not magic wands!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and YT Radical Pro is softer than the YT Prestige MP.

[movdqa]

The tgk238.4 is a YT Prestige MP. I find that they feel awful at very low weights but I like them at my comfortable spec range. The tgk238.4 is a platform - you can do whatever you want with it.

I have two tgk260.2s as well - leaded up to 13 ounces. I'm sure that they play nothing like the YT Radical MPs in stock form.

I think that the Radical line was softer than the Prestige line in the YTs.

VSB's description of the YT Prestige is brassy.

[World Class Forehand]

What is the difference between a TGK 260.2 and a TGT 260.2?

Just the cosmetics/paintjob?