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[tennis5]

Originally Posted by Erman

Was at Zonals this week and it's coaching. Every kid from one section within the first 4-5 points accused his/her opponent of "cheating". Not just questioning calls but "cheating". Then they would forget points causing arguments and one "forgot" the game count. It was pathetic.

One of the kids who was getting hooked badly just told his son to hit it in. Meaning , hit with big margins on the lines and let the kid make the mistake and breakdown. As soon as his opponent cussed, flung his racquet or complained about the pain in his ( insert body part) you'd know it was over. Lots of bad feelings and a coach from one of the sections was screaming at a parent about being a loser, another dad was encouraging his kid to get "this kids autograph after you kick his butt".

Just weird stuff. One of the girls on the team screamed at her dad and told him to quit saying she was playing like a "f***ing p***y".

Brad Gilbert must be really proud that his Winning Ugly is the bible on some junior sections and coaches.

I was at Boys zonals and it was pretty calm...
Except for one match ( not bad out of 30 boy single matches!!!!!!)
There was one boy playing one of our boys who cheated on every major point.
So, all the kids (boys and girls) were infuriated and cheered for our player,
and then the parent of the other boy complained to the ref that the kids were too loud ( it is a team event?)..
Then, the ref finally came over and watched the match.

The only other thing I noticed was that the ref at the first players meeting said the deity rule would be enforced.
And I did hear the word Jesus being screamed from many courts, and I am sorry, but that is is offensive,
and there were no point suspensions...
so just more empty words from the refs...

BTW, I was at a different zonal from you.....

Sorry, it was a bad experience, but, I would recommend complaining to your sectional office and then cc the national office on the same email. This has worked well in our section and the bad kids are now not getting away with some of the CRAZY, cheating behavior.

[tennisnoob3]

Originally Posted by Erman

Was at Zonals this week and it's coaching. Every kid from one section within the first 4-5 points accused his/her opponent of "cheating". Not just questioning calls but "cheating". Then they would forget points causing arguments and one "forgot" the game count. It was pathetic.

One of the kids who was getting hooked badly just told his son to hit it in. Meaning , hit with big margins on the lines and let the kid make the mistake and breakdown. As soon as his opponent cussed, flung his racquet or complained about the pain in his ( insert body part) you'd know it was over. Lots of bad feelings and a coach from one of the sections was screaming at a parent about being a loser, another dad was encouraging his kid to get "this kids autograph after you kick his butt".

Just weird stuff. One of the girls on the team screamed at her dad and told him to quit saying she was playing like a "f***ing p***y".

Brad Gilbert must be really proud that his Winning Ugly is the bible on some junior sections and coaches.

how old?

shows how far quality parenting goes

[Erman]

Originally Posted by tennisnoob3

how old?

shows how far quality parenting goes

16 year old... just amazing mouths on some of the kids. I heard more F-bombs and "Jeezus C...." , just mouthy stuff than I'd heard in a long time. I have to say that the racquet abuse was non-existent DURING the matches when an official gave a player a warning, then a point penalty on set point. BOTH teams just sat there with their mouths open asking, "did he just do that? whoa..."

If the officials wanted to they were good. Came when they were asked and basically didn't put up with anything. In fact one match the official stated in no uncertain terms that unless it was the score that neither player was to comment in any manner to the other player after a rather contentious start. This was after 4 games in the first set.

Looking back it's just pathetic. The 12-16 year olds are not getting the mental toughness by relying on the gamesmanship b.s. It's becoming like wrestling. Especially the line calls and score challenges in order to somehow get an "edge" when you want to hook someone or distract them in order to break their concentration. Oh well, it takes all kinds and I'm sure that it's never going to change.

[hound 109]

Originally Posted by Soianka

It was the ATA national tournament. I believe she is playing the 14's.

What is ATA? (What state or section)

Is it a Zonal?

[hound 109]

Originally Posted by Erman

Was at Zonals this week and it's coaching. Every kid from one section within the first 4-5 points accused his/her opponent of "cheating". Not just questioning calls but "cheating". Then they would forget points causing arguments and one "forgot" the game count. It was pathetic.

One of the kids who was getting hooked badly just told his son to hit it in. Meaning , hit with big margins on the lines and let the kid make the mistake and breakdown. As soon as his opponent cussed, flung his racquet or complained about the pain in his ( insert body part) you'd know it was over. Lots of bad feelings and a coach from one of the sections was screaming at a parent about being a loser, another dad was encouraging his kid to get "this kids autograph after you kick his butt".

Just weird stuff. One of the girls on the team screamed at her dad and told him to quit saying she was playing like a "f***ing p***y".

Brad Gilbert must be really proud that his Winning Ugly is the bible on some junior sections and coaches.

Which location was this?

It was pretty calm in Omaha (except for rain delays). A few dust ups, but not anything more than a typical monthly sectional ranking tournament.

It was a great event. After matches on Saturday, my kid was playing cards with two kids he had beaten & one kid who beat him (& a couple of other kids).

Maybe Zonals gets worse as they get older?

[ninaz]

what is the final resualt?

[ninaz]

Is she 15 now? any news?

[WARPWOODIE]

^^^Yea, this kid looked interesting when this thread on her started. There are no TRN ratings on this girl which suggest she does not play tournaments. Not bad for a girl who has a one handed backhand but the videos suggest that the BH is more defensive than anything. Daddy has an interesting background .
All that said, maybe she was just one of many internet/youtube hypes who have dropped off?

[Soianka]

Originally Posted by WARPWOODIE

^^^Yea, this kid looked interesting when this thread on her started. There are no TRN ratings on this girl which suggest she does not play tournaments. Not bad for a girl who has a one handed backhand but the videos suggest that the BH is more defensive than anything. Daddy has an interesting background .
All that said, maybe she was just one of many internet/youtube hypes who have dropped off?

I saw her play the ATA tournament summer 2011 (I think).

I was very impressed.

[TCF]

They were working their unique route with no USTAs. Dad used to hire lots of high level practice partners and they set up practice matches. I wonder if that is still the way they are training. Be amazing to see a player like that pop out and rise up the pro rankings.

[arche3]

Originally Posted by TCF

They were working their unique route with no USTAs. Dad used to hire lots of high level practice partners and they set up practice matches. I wonder if that is still the way they are training. Be amazing to see a player like that pop out and rise up the pro rankings.

I agree. Make p mac look even worse. If that's possible.

[Avles]

No mention of her in ages from Tom Allsopp who was her coach (and Youtube publicist). I believe he titled one of his videos "the female Federer." Can't seem to find that video now....

I don't think she'll be on the tour anytime soon.

[tennisgene]

I wish we could see some videos of her matches. The girl looks very good on the forehand side, the backhand is a little lazy and too much slicing. It would be ok 20 years ago now with all this power you have got to have power back hand and forehand otherwise good players will hurt you right away. I wonder what is the most recent video there is of her, just so the progress can be tracked.

[MarTennis]

Originally Posted by ofcr17601

Does anyone know how old Gabrielle Andrews and Mayo Hibi are ?

Highly managed schedule and seems to get ill or injured after quarters disproportionate to others.

[klu375]

Originally Posted by MarTennis

Highly managed schedule and seems to get ill or injured after quarters disproportionate to others.

This is an old thread. Things change. This is exactly what we are trying to explain to the freshly banned poster above.

[ClarkC]

Originally Posted by MarTennis

Highly managed schedule and seems to get ill or injured after quarters disproportionate to others.

Who are you talking about?

[MarTennis]

Originally Posted by ClarkC

Who are you talking about?

Caroline Xie.

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by MarTennis

Highly managed schedule and seems to get ill or injured after quarters disproportionate to others.

I don't follow the girls, so no idea who this is....

But, just curious what a "highly managed schedule" means?

[MarTennis]

She doesn't seem to compete that often, yet she is in highly competitive section. Maybe selective is more accurate.

[widmerpool]

Originally Posted by Soianka

I read an article by Stan Smith? (I think it was Stan Smith) a while back where he was talking about that he had a hunch that there was another path to creating a world champion tennis player. That a junior could be generally athletic and start playing tennis later like age 13-15 and maybe not complete in junior events, etc.

Didn't Michael Stich concentrate on tennis at an extremely late age?

He seemed incredibly athletic.