Brad Baughman

[kme5150]

Originally Posted by coaching32yrs

Spent about an hour talking tennis with an Ivy League coach. He said, "If a kid was home schooled I have ZERO shot of getting him in." I said there were 2 or 3 homes schooled now at Ivies. He said only because they had perfect SAT scores. If you are home schooled have to get perfect SAT to go Ivy. I think NESCAC has no home schooled men players. Bottom line: If you're thinking elite school think twice about home schooling.

This is not true.

While it is tougher compared to a standard school, it is definitely not impossible. The better you are the more pull the coach has. Does a 2 star who is homeschooled going to need a perfect score? Probably. Does a Blue Chip? Not a chance.

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by kme5150

This is not true.

While it is tougher compared to a standard school, it is definitely not impossible. The better you are the more pull the coach has. Does a 2 star who is homeschooled going to need a perfect score? Probably. Does a Blue Chip? Not a chance.

A lot of blue chips did not get into the IVYs who wanted to go.
It is not a secret........

And the 800 on the SATs has to be coupled with a curriculum that was very challenging, Physics, Calculus, 4 years of language, a number of AP classes with the 5 on the exam, SAT 2, etc.....

However, the foreigner who is ten steps ahead of the Blue Chip, that young man they will make allowances for. Even the English language.

[kme5150]

Originally Posted by tennis5

A lot of blue chips did not get into the IVYs who wanted to go.
It is not a secret........

And the 800 on the SATs has to be coupled with a curriculum that was very challenging, Physics, Calculus, 4 years of language, a number of AP classes with the 5 on the exam, SAT 2, etc.....

However, the foreigner who is ten steps ahead of the Blue Chip, that young man they will make allowances for. Even the English language.

OK. If you score a 32 or better on your ACT, have a 3.8 or better GPA in a tough program and are a Blue Chip, then you can get into any Ivy school you want. Maybe that is clearer.

[Misterbill]

Fact check for all juniors out there who may be reading this:

You do not need all 800s on all your SATs to get into the Ivies. This applies to athletes and non-athletes.

Check out the link below. The middle 50% at Harvard has SAT Reading scores between 690-790. For Math it is 700-800. Writing, 690-790

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/...ide_x_side.htm

Or check out this link for total SAT scores for the middle 50%. Harvard is at 2070-2350.

http://www.satscores.us/

What any of this has to do with Brad Baughman is a mystery to me. But bad info in any junior thread does a disservice to juniors and needs to be called out I think

[kme5150]

Stineman, for example, turned down several Ivy schools who wanted him. I'm sorry but the competition just isn't the same. Not everybody wants to go Ivy. There are a couple who have already turned them down this year.

[Soianka]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Fact check for all juniors out there who may be reading this:

You do not need all 800s on all your SATs to get into the Ivies. This applies to athletes and non-athletes.

Check out the link below. The middle 50% at Harvard has SAT Reading scores between 690-790. For Math it is 700-800. Writing, 690-790

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/...ide_x_side.htm

Or check out this link for total SAT scores for the middle 50%. Harvard is at 2070-2350.

http://www.satscores.us/

What any of this has to do with Brad Baughman is a mystery to me. But bad info in any junior thread does a disservice to juniors and needs to be called out I think

Yes, this is true. I know several non-athlete kids who went to Ivies this year and they didn't have anywhere near perfect SAT scores. I think one's was in the 2100-range and ended up at Columbia.

But I think the other poster was referring to home-schooled kids.

I would imagine that the admissions department weigh test scores more heavily for home schooled kids.

Though I imagine that most of these kids are actually in some type of accredited online school.

Definitely SAT II subject tests would be very important for HS'd kids.

Every applicant has to take 2-3 SAT II's but I think the requirement for HS'd youngsters is more subject tests, if I recall correctly.

[Misterbill]

Wrong information again....this time about 2-3 SAT Subject tests being required, and a separate Subject Test requirement for home schoolers

I would encourage anyone who has the urge to post college application requirements to post them correctly or resist the urge to post.

Below is the link to Harvard's application FAQs. Similar links for other colleges are readily accessible. In particular,

Which SAT Subject Tests should students take?

To satisfy our application requirements, applicants must take two SAT Subject Tests. Students should not submit two Subject Tests in mathematics to meet this requirement. Candidates whose first language is not English should ordinarily not use a Subject Test in their first language to meet the two Subject Tests requirement. . Applicants may wish to convey the breadth of their academic interests by taking tests in different subjects. All students are encouraged to submit additional Subject Tests (which may include one in a student’s first language), Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate test results, or any other evidence of the breadth and depth of their academic accomplishments.

http://www.admissions.college.harvar...ly/faq.html#10

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Fact check for all juniors out there who may be reading this:

You do not need all 800s on all your SATs to get into the Ivies. This applies to athletes and non-athletes.

Check out the link below. The middle 50% at Harvard has SAT Reading scores between 690-790. For Math it is 700-800. Writing, 690-790

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/...ide_x_side.htm

Or check out this link for total SAT scores for the middle 50%. Harvard is at 2070-2350.

http://www.satscores.us/

What any of this has to do with Brad Baughman is a mystery to me. But bad info in any junior thread does a disservice to juniors and needs to be called out I think

Nothing to do with Brad.... And the thread should be about the junior, I would think.....

Just random postings at this point.

in general, colleges like a very large applicant pool.
It has nothing to do with their love for wading through endless resumes of prospective college students for the perfect match.

A college can get a very large applicant pool by posting a range of SAT scores that kids can rely on as indicators that they have a chance..
The infamous 25th to 75th percentile range.
Then, the student whose is at the 50% thinks they have a reasonable shot to get in.
The large applicant pool, and subsequent rejections equal a better number for the ranking game.

While, the lower range is set aside sometimes for select athletes, deep pocket donors, etc,
it does not happen very often.

My daughter is at an Ivy, so I did do some research on this.

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by kme5150

Stineman, for example, turned down several Ivy schools who wanted him. I'm sorry but the competition just isn't the same. Not everybody wants to go Ivy. There are a couple who have already turned them down this year.

Well, in all fairness to the athletes, the IVYs offer very few services/concessions to them.

[ClarkC]

Originally Posted by tennis5

in general, colleges like a very large applicant pool.
It has nothing to do with their love for wading through endless resumes of prospective college students for the perfect match.

A college can get a very large applicant pool by posting a range of SAT scores that kids can rely on as indicators that they have a chance..
The infamous 25th to 75th percentile range.
Then, the student whose is at the 50% thinks they have a reasonable shot to get in.
The large applicant pool, and subsequent rejections equal a better number for the ranking game.

While, the lower range is set aside sometimes for select athletes, deep pocket donors, etc,
it does not happen very often.

My daughter is at an Ivy, so I did do some research on this.

The posted ranges are the ranges of applicants who were actually admitted. If you are at the 50% point, then you do have a pretty good chance of being admitted. I don't think that 50% of accepted applicants are athletes, children of big donors, etc. So, at the 50% point, you have better scores than many applicants who get accepted and are in no special category.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by tennis5

Nothing to do with Brad.... And the thread should be about the junior, I would think.....

Just random postings at this point.

in general, colleges like a very large applicant pool.
It has nothing to do with their love for wading through endless resumes of prospective college students for the perfect match.

A college can get a very large applicant pool by posting a range of SAT scores that kids can rely on as indicators that they have a chance..
The infamous 25th to 75th percentile range.
Then, the student whose is at the 50% thinks they have a reasonable shot to get in.
The large applicant pool, and subsequent rejections equal a better number for the ranking game.

While, the lower range is set aside sometimes for select athletes, deep pocket donors, etc,
it does not happen very often.

My daughter is at an Ivy, so I did do some research on this.

Juniors, you can take a look at these charts if you wish to get a more factual....rather than anecdotal.....grasp of the situation.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-...pa-sat-act.htm

The chart that is linked is for Harvard, you can easily pull up other schools.

Your choice....go with the anecdotes, or these sources

[Number1Coach]

Just got off the phone with obama he said this thread is going the wrong direction and is afraid his grades will get called into the arguing and all the applications he filled out for foreign students so he asked me to ask you guys to bring it back to Brad !!

Honestly I am yawning its getting boring guys .

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by tennis5

My daughter is at an Ivy, so I did do some research on this.

You have done the research, so I think it would be very helpful for any Juniors who are reading this if you could post the sources that support the anecdotes you have referred to.

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Juniors, you can take a look at these charts if you wish to get a more factual....rather than anecdotal.....grasp of the situation.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-...pa-sat-act.htm

The chart that is linked is for Harvard, you can easily pull up other schools.

Your choice....go with the anecdotes, or these sources

For 2012, Harvard received 34,302 applications.

They accepted a little over 2,000 ( 2032 students).

That applicant pool contained 3,800 students who were number 1 in their high school class.

[Misterbill]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Just got off the phone with obama he said this thread is going the wrong direction and is afraid his grades will get called into the arguing and all the applications he filled out for foreign students so he asked me to ask you guys to bring it back to Brad !!

Honestly I am yawning its getting boring guys .

Agreed.

But let's clean up all the hooey first, then back to you.

[tennis5]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Just got off the phone with obama he said this thread is going the wrong direction and is afraid his grades will get called into the arguing and all the applications he filled out for foreign students so he asked me to ask you guys to bring it back to Brad !!

Honestly I am yawning its getting boring guys .

Sorry, Brad! We are way, way off topic.
And I am one who likes a pure thread.

Ok, back on topic

Can you put up some videos of your player here.

Thanks.

[kme5150]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Juniors, you can take a look at these charts if you wish to get a more factual....rather than anecdotal.....grasp of the situation.

http://collegeapps.about.com/od/GPA-...pa-sat-act.htm

The chart that is linked is for Harvard, you can easily pull up other schools.

Your choice....go with the anecdotes, or these sources

Great info. The other thing all athletes should understand is that they should do their best in school because if you get seriously injured prior to signing then you will more than likely lose it all.

[kme5150]

Sorry Brad. I agree. Back on topic.

[Soianka]

Originally Posted by Misterbill

Wrong information again....this time about 2-3 SAT Subject tests being required, and a separate Subject Test requirement for home schoolers

I would encourage anyone who has the urge to post college application requirements to post them correctly or resist the urge to post.

Below is the link to Harvard's application FAQs. Similar links for other colleges are readily accessible. In particular,

Which SAT Subject Tests should students take?

To satisfy our application requirements, applicants must take two SAT Subject Tests. Students should not submit two Subject Tests in mathematics to meet this requirement. Candidates whose first language is not English should ordinarily not use a Subject Test in their first language to meet the two Subject Tests requirement. . Applicants may wish to convey the breadth of their academic interests by taking tests in different subjects. All students are encouraged to submit additional Subject Tests (which may include one in a student’s first language), Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate test results, or any other evidence of the breadth and depth of their academic accomplishments.

http://www.admissions.college.harvar...ly/faq.html#10

It is well known that applicants who were home-schooled are encouraged or required to submit more subject tests than regular applicants.

Most, if not all, Ivys require 2 subject tests from all applicants and certainly encourage more for applicants who were home-schooled.

Excuse me for misstating "2-3" subject tests.

The requirement was recently lowered to only 2 subject tests, so congrats, you got me there.

Here in the info from Yale's website:

Home-schooled applicants complete the same application as other students and must fulfill the same testing requirements. Because home-schooled students may lack standard measures of academic performance, they must try to provide comparable information in different ways. Here are a few suggestions for home-schoolers as they approach the application process:

Standardized test scores hold relatively more weight for home-schooled applicants. If you are a home-schooler and you feel confident about your ability to do well on the exams, we advise you to demonstrate your abilities in various areas by taking more than the required two SAT Subject Tests.

Finally, I would encourage you, Mister Bill, to be accurate in what you post rather than being so overly eager to always correct others.

[TCF]

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