Angell Sport!

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by ced

Hit with the TC100 this morning ... racquet played well , no noticeable noise or vibration as long as hits were in the "sweet spot" ..... off-center hits were a little bothersome, but not nearly as much as I feared !

Paul has been in daily contact with me since I first reported this odd condition, and I'm sure we will work this out.

I will say it is one beautiful stick.

How will you work it out? A frame has vibration or it doesn't. You can put lead or silicone and dampen it, but I don't see how you can "work it out."

BTW, though we like to make fun of big racket manufacturers, they do perform extensive vibration tests in the lab on each model, starting from the mathematical model in the design phase and continuing after prototypes become available. They also get feedback from players throughout the process. That is why modern frames have become so comfortable.

[ced]

Originally Posted by sureshs

How will you work it out? A frame has vibration or it doesn't. You can put lead or silicone and dampen it, but I don't see how you can "work it out."

BTW, though we like to make fun of big racket manufacturers, they do perform extensive vibration tests in the lab on each model, starting from the mathematical model in the design phase and continuing after prototypes become available. They also get feedback from players throughout the process. That is why modern frames have become so comfortable.

Vibration may have been a bad choice of words on my part .... it is a vibrating sound that is made no actual vibration is felt in the hand or arm.

Whatever it is is a fluke with this particular racquet and not, I'm sure indicative of the line ....... I'm sure Paul and i will reach a compromise, credit, replacement or something that is satisfactory to both of us. The racquet itself plays well, it just makes an occasional vibrating sound (nothing is transmitted to the arm) , comfort and feel is outstanding. I would not hesitate to recommend Paul's product. Let me emphasize that nothing is really noticeable when playing, only when striking the palm of your hand with the racquet face.

The Angell racquets are beautifully designed and put together and I'm probably going to purchase another.

[Kal-El 34]

Originally Posted by ced

Vibration may have been a bad choice of words on my part .... it is a vibrating sound that is made no actual vibration is felt in the hand or arm.

Whatever it is is a fluke with this particular racquet and not, I'm sure indicative of the line ....... I'm sure Paul and i will reach a compromise, credit, replacement or something that is satisfactory to both of us. The racquet itself plays well, it just makes an occasional vibrating sound (nothing is transmitted to the arm) , comfort and feel is outstanding. I would not hesitate to recommend Paul's product. Let me emphasize that nothing is really noticeable when playing, only when striking the palm of your hand with the racquet face.

The Angell racquets are beautifully designed and put together and I'm probably going to purchase another.

Is the buttcap at all loose? This would occasionally happem with the x series donnay line. Simply glue or tape in the cap and it was solved in thoae cases. Have not seen the actual angell racket yet but maybe thia helps

[Kal-El 34]

How do the frames play? Currently hitting donnay pro one 18x20.

[ced]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 34

Is the buttcap at all loose? This would occasionally happem with the x series donnay line. Simply glue or tape in the cap and it was solved in thoae cases. Have not seen the actual angell racket yet but maybe thia helps

Butt Cap doesn't appear to be loose...... I think it might be the lower (throat ) grommet not yet seated ...... Haven't really played with it in matches , but have used it for "warm-up" several times ..... It hit very well and only occasionally (not very often) do you note a sound .... no vibration felt, so whatever it is is not bothersome. ....... seems better each time out.

As to how it hits .... very controlled and accurate..... not a lot of power (it is the 63 RA flex) .... very solid feel you would expect from a foam filled racquet .... impeccable cosmetics

[ced]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 34

How do the frames play? Currently hitting donnay pro one 18x20.

I wish the Angell TC100 came in an 18x20 pattern. My PK Qtours are 18x20 and I've come to prefer that over 16x19.... the Angell plays very similiar to the PK Qtour.... it just doesn't (in the 63 flex) have the power of the Q, but control is definitely there.

If I were to get another Angell, I believe I would go for the TC95 with an 18x20 pattern.

[ced]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 34

Is the buttcap at all loose? This would occasionally happem with the x series donnay line. Simply glue or tape in the cap and it was solved in thoae cases. Have not seen the actual angell racket yet but maybe thia helps

Thanks Kal-El I believe the trapdoor of the buttcap may be the problem (or part of it)..... when you bang the racquet against te heel of your shoe you hear nothing, hit it with your palm and there's a buzz (tho no vibration is felt) and it is much less today than Sunday.

[Kal-El 34]

Originally Posted by ced

Thanks Kal-El I believe the trapdoor of the buttcap may be the problem (or part of it)..... when you bang the racquet against te heel of your shoe you hear nothing, hit it with your palm and there's a buzz (tho no vibration is felt) and it is much less today than Sunday.

That was a common problem with the early Donnay line and their weighted caps... A little roll of scotch tape as filler and no issue. A small annoyance but was easily fixable. Hope it helps. Debating pulling the trigger and trying an angell but it's tough as I haven't actually bought a racket in years haha..

[ced]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 34

That was a common problem with the early Donnay line and their weighted caps... A little roll of scotch tape as filler and no issue. A small annoyance but was easily fixable. Hope it helps. Debating pulling the trigger and trying an angell but it's tough as I haven't actually bought a racket in years haha..

They are really nice frames ... a little underpowered for an oldster like me. I'm mostly playing with the new PK Qtour.

What is so nice about the Angell is the super solid feel the foam treatment provides, and the ability to get the balance and weight you want without resorting to lead. Just think I may be a little past my prime to handle it.

I will say that it is great to do business with Paul ( not often a company head- even a small company) gets as involved with his customers as Paul does.

[ced]

Originally Posted by Kal-El 34

Debating pulling the trigger and trying an angell but it's tough as I haven't actually bought a racket in years haha..

eMail me at : tennis2 @ runbox.com

[Dgdavid]

Angell are great and the personal service from Paul is excellent. The biggest problem for me is whenever I am approaching a shot where the racket might touch down, I pull out so I don't mark the frame (a thing of beauty!).

In hindsight though, a TC100 might suit my game better than my TC95s. That is my own spec choice issue though. Picked the spec with my ego not my brain!

[prostaff junkie]

Originally Posted by Dgdavid

Angell are great and the personal service from Paul is excellent. The biggest problem for me is whenever I am approaching a shot where the racket might touch down, I pull out so I don't mark the frame (a thing of beauty!).

In hindsight though, a TC100 might suit my game better than my TC95s. That is my own spec choice issue though. Picked the spec with my ego not my brain!

That's why I'm selling my Vantage..........it's not my specs. As much as I like it, what's the point in modding a custom frame?

[Dgdavid]

Originally Posted by prostaff junkie

That's why I'm selling my Vantage..........it's not my specs. As much as I like it, what's the point in modding a custom frame?

Mod it to the point when you know that it is the spec you want, then get a new beautiful custom one in that exact spec with all the weight etc hidden. Then you have a bling custom racket to YOUR specification choice. Does it get better than that?

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by ced

Vibration may have been a bad choice of words on my part .... it is a vibrating sound that is made no actual vibration is felt in the hand or arm.

Whatever it is is a fluke with this particular racquet and not, I'm sure indicative of the line ....... I'm sure Paul and i will reach a compromise, credit, replacement or something that is satisfactory to both of us. The racquet itself plays well, it just makes an occasional vibrating sound (nothing is transmitted to the arm) , comfort and feel is outstanding. I would not hesitate to recommend Paul's product. Let me emphasize that nothing is really noticeable when playing, only when striking the palm of your hand with the racquet face.

The Angell racquets are beautifully designed and put together and I'm probably going to purchase another.

Cool. OK I get it now.

But the vibrating sound could be again a vibration, just one that does not bother you physically. If it is inherent to the design, I am not sure how it can be dampened without changing the racket's specs like weight.

[djoko4thewin]

Thanks all guys for keeping this going and it's been good to see feedback but as this dropped down the pages be good to bump it up and see if we can get more feedback and pictures especially as they've been delivered to people now i believe!

[ced]

Originally Posted by Dgdavid

Angell are great and the personal service from Paul is excellent. The biggest problem for me is whenever I am approaching a shot where the racket might touch down, I pull out so I don't mark the frame (a thing of beauty!).

In hindsight though, a TC100 might suit my game better than my TC95s. That is my own spec choice issue though. Picked the spec with my ego not my brain!

They are pretty racquets, but not that pretty !! I'm certain they will take a few bumps and bruises .

What attacts me about the TC95 is the 18x20 pattern ...... I did order the the TC100, but do wish t came with an 18x20 pattern.

[officerdibble]

Just received and played my first match with an Angell racket.

Firstly, it looks superb. I could say that this doesn't matter, but as a psychologist I know that we absolutely can't distinguish function from form entirely and it does no harm at all to smile at your racket when you take it out the bag.

Secondly, I took the opportunity to adjust my specs on this change. A couple of emailed questions to Paul and he steered me in a direction that would give me what I wanted... similar swing weight but a slightly lighter overall weight.

The racket is an absolute delight. It has a great solidity but not from stiffness. I believe someone else said that they thought the foam was responsible for this; I believe it's more to do with the lay-up of the graphite. The Angell frames are specified for optimum playing characteristics not minimal manufacturing costs! When I read that the lay-up is different my experience with the big brands finally made sense: their mainstream frames just feel slightly hollow to me (I don't doubt that the pros get a totally different product).

Congratulations to Paul on designing such a great racket, including the cosmetics and branding which, for me, are a rare mix of classic and contemporary... I think mine is going to look good for years to come.
(And I completely understand the point of the person who said he didn't like the thought of scraping it on the ground!).

My only regret is that, because I was playing with specs, I didn't feel it was worth risking buying the multi-racket deal... I should have had more faith in Paul's recommendation.

However, it's a small issue given that I have the perfect racket for me. I placed an order for a second frame last night (having just finished a match); but this morning I'm wondering if I should have ordered a third too... grrrr!

[rlau]

officerdibble, what specs did you order?

[djoko4thewin]

Thanks officerdibble, be great if we could also get some pics of these rackets as it helps to know exactly what they look like before you choose what you want!

[officerdibble]

Originally Posted by rlau

officerdibble, what specs did you order?

I've gone for the TC95, 16 x 19, 63RA, standard length, 320gms and 315mm balance. Oh, I also opted for the leather grip (so the specs have been done on the basis of the heavier grip).

It is, hands-down, the best racket I've ever played with and I've tried quite a few. The big win is, as others have said, the solidity of the frame. It's not stiff, I can feel the flex and pocketing of the strings when I'm hitting with someone who hits the ball well, but it has an evenness of performance in the frame that inspires major confidence.