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Old 10-03-2012, 07:49 AM   #41
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SHOUT-OUT to you, Soianka---You clearly GET what I've been tryiing to say. Thank you for your support!!
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:40 AM   #42
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If the USTA is paying the bill then she should do as they ask and work harder on her fitness.I think they want her to be able to compete for grand slams and if her fitness isnt top notch then she doesnt have a chance. I think people have taken this situation and made it something that its not. If a football player for the university of georgia comes back to school over weight im 100% sure coach is gonna address the problem. I dont feel sorry for her she is training there for free and if pmac thinks she needs to drop some lbs and they are paying the bills then she needs to do what is asked of her. I really think the usta is only trying to do whats best for her. I agree i think she needs to work on her fitness it means nothing to be the number one junior in the world in the grand scheme of things.GOOD LUCK TAYLOR!!!! If they pay the bills you need to do what they ask bottom line.
She will be 17 after Australian Open 2013
Someone has to decide which pro tournaments to play
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So good to see that so many of you GET IT: Taylor is a CHILD who happens to be the #1 junior girl in the world! To have been treated that way (with comments about her "FITNESS" from none other than PMAC, which were correctly picked up and plastered on headlines of newspapers and TV shows across the nation) was just OUTRAGEOUS.

To those who feel that her work ethic is lacking and she is not sufficiently dedicated to tennis, I wonder how in the world you feel qualified to make that judgement??? I have personally known Taylor since she was 8 or 9 and I can promise you she never has and she never will have a body like Maria Sharapova---AND THAT IS O.K.- but what she has is clearly working for her in the juniors - WHICH IS WHERE SHE IS. Who can say what will or won't work for her in the pros???? Oh yah, probably PMAC, since he claims to know such things.

I take Taylor at her word (wish everyone else would do the same) because I believe her when she said this: "I have always done everything that's ever been asked of me...and more."

I say GO TAYLOR - and I completely agree with whoever it was who said here (or it could have been somewhere else) that if PMAC worked in private industry, he would have been FIRED within 24 hours of such horrendous treatment of a sensitive young girl who happens to be #1 in the entire world. Like Martina and Lindsay and Serena and sooooo many others, I am BEYOND UPSET at the way they treated my friend.

I don't know if/when it'll ever happen, but I for one will be so very glad when she has the opportunity to move on and leave the USTA in the DUST.
You are missing a lot of points
One of them is how to proceed after Australian Open 2013
which by the way is NOT very far away
Is she ready to play pro tournaments above the Challenger level?
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:12 AM   #44
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You are missing a lot of points
One of them is how to proceed after Australian Open 2013
which by the way is NOT very far away
Is she ready to play pro tournaments above the Challenger level?
Looks like she won't be 17 until April 2013, but what's your point?

Obviously, she is now preparing now for a pro career. That's the whole point of her being in training.

I guess some of us just don't think that humiliating a teenage girl about her "weight issues" is ethical or the best way to help her prepare to be a pro tennis player.

And certainly no explanation has been given thus far about how holding her out from the US Open would help her get in better shape.

It's a punishment, pure and simple. Let's at least be honest about that.

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Looks like she won't be 17 until April 2013, but what's your point?

Obviously, she is now preparing now for a pro career. That's the whole point of her being in training.

I guess some of us just don't think that humiliating a teenage girl about her "weight issues" is ethical or the best way to help her prepare to be a pro tennis player.

And certainly no explanation has been given thus far about how holding her out from the US Open would help her get in better shape.

It's a punishment, pure and simple. Let's at least be honest about that.
Three Grand Slam wild cards are to be considered when considering dropping the USTA support
I do NOT think you know the pro system very well but I could be wrong.

Read the quote about TT below
I assume that you know who Alexa Glatch and Alexis King are
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2011

Townsend reached two ITF Circuit semifinals:

One $50,000 event in Carson, CA, in May, losing to Alexa Glatch, 6–7(1), 2–6
One $10,000 event in Atlanta, GA, in July, losing to Alexis King, 4–6, 3–6

In June, she lost in the first round of a $50,000 event in Boston, MA, to Yasmin Schnack, 4–6, 3–6.

Townsend was granted a wildcard into the main draw of the U.S. women's doubles tournament, where she was paired with Jessica Pegula. The pair reached the third round.

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Old 10-03-2012, 11:42 AM   #46
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Three Grand Slam wild cards are to be considered when considering dropping the USTA support
I do NOT think you know the pro system very well but I could be wrong.

Read the quote about TT below
I assume that you know who Alexa Glatch and Alexis King are
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2011

Townsend reached two ITF Circuit semifinals:

One $50,000 event in Carson, CA, in May, losing to Alexa Glatch, 6–7(1), 2–6
One $10,000 event in Atlanta, GA, in July, losing to Alexis King, 4–6, 3–6

In June, she lost in the first round of a $50,000 event in Boston, MA, to Yasmin Schnack, 4–6, 3–6.

Townsend was granted a wildcard into the main draw of the U.S. women's doubles tournament, where she was paired with Jessica Pegula. The pair reached the third round.
As the world ITF #1 junior in the world, she would receive those WC regardless if she is with the USTA or not.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:42 AM   #47
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Three Grand Slam wild cards are to be considered when considering dropping the USTA support
I do NOT think you know the pro system very well but I could be wrong.

Read the quote about TT below
I assume that you know who Alexa Glatch and Alexis King are
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2011

Townsend reached two ITF Circuit semifinals:

One $50,000 event in Carson, CA, in May, losing to Alexa Glatch, 6–7(1), 2–6
One $10,000 event in Atlanta, GA, in July, losing to Alexis King, 4–6, 3–6

In June, she lost in the first round of a $50,000 event in Boston, MA, to Yasmin Schnack, 4–6, 3–6.

Townsend was granted a wildcard into the main draw of the U.S. women's doubles tournament, where she was paired with Jessica Pegula. The pair reached the third round.
Wow, you do not have to be so condescending when it was you who have failed to make a clear argument in your last 2 posts.

From what I gather (although still not clear) you are suggesting that Taylor should not drop USTA training because they will blacklist her from getting wildcards at future pro tournaments ?

She was already denied a wild card into the main draw of US Open.

Obviously, it is not a good situation for Taylor, but if there is a better training situation, I think she should take it.

The wildcard issue is not something she can control whether training with the USTA or not.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:45 AM   #48
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As the world ITF #1 junior in the world, she would receive those WC regardless if she is with the USTA or not.
Thanks for the clear and succinct answer.

If Taylor's results continue to be good, the USTA would have some serious explaining to do if they were to attempt to punish her by preventing her from receiving WC's.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:50 AM   #49
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Thanks for the clear and succinct answer.

If Taylor's results continue to be good, the USTA would have some serious explaining to do if they were to attempt to punish her by preventing her from receiving WC's.
It's ironic that the country that she represents, denies her the WC to her national championship.

How screwy is that.
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It's ironic that the country that she represents, denies her the WC to her national championship.

How screwy is that.
Pretty crazy.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:22 PM   #51
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As the world ITF #1 junior in the world, she would receive those WC regardless if she is with the USTA or not.
The rule you are quoting to the best of my knowledge did NOT
apply to the (non junior) version of US Open 2012
To the last of what I have heard:
if she would like to play (non junior) version of Australian Open
she could get a wild card via the program of wild card exchanges
between USTA and Australian Tennis Federation
I believe this would require a tacit support from USTA OR WINNING A CORRESPONDING TOURNAMENT (or a runner-up)
It is NOT automatic for non junior version but I have been wrong before
The issue will be clear in 2 months one way or another
The cost of a travelling coach OUTSIDE of USTA is another financial issue

see as well below
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Australian Open to hold wildcard playoff in China


Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:02am EDT

(Reuters) - The Australian Open will hold a regional wildcard playoff for entry to the 2013 version of the year's first tennis grand slam in Nanjing in China in October, organizers announced on Monday.

The male and female winners of the playoff, which will take place at China's National Tennis Academy from October 15-21, will gain entry to the main draw of the Melbourne Park tournament, which brands itself the "Grand Slam of the Asia-Pacific".

The Asia-Pacific wildcards were previously decided by nomination, a spokeswoman for Tennis Australia said, and are part of the 16 up for grabs for the Australian Open, eight each for entry to the men's and women's draws.

Two of the eight are allocated in a reciprocal arrangement with the French and U.S. Opens, one goes to the winner of a playoff restricted to Australian players, while the other four are awarded at the discretion of organizers.

The playoff, which will not be open to Australian players, was announced by the Premier of Victoria Ted Baillieu at a news conference in Beijing on Monday, also attended by China's 2011 French Open champion Li Na.

The Australian Open has moved increasingly to identify itself as a pan-regional tournament as Asia, and China in particular, has become a bigger player in the sport.

The China Open, which now boasts a joint $8.3 million WTA/ATP event at the tennis centre built for the 2008 Olympics, has made no secret of its ambition to eventually become a grand slam tournament.

Asia is also an important market both for attracting visitors to Melbourne to watch the tournament and for television audiences to bolster the value of media rights.

"There has been a 400 percent increase in visitation to the Australian Open from the Asia-Pacific region over the past eight years," Tennis Australia's CEO Steve Wood said in news release.

"More than half the Australian Open's global media value is now generated from the Asia-Pacific region and new broadcast deals include access to an additional 65 million homes," he added.

"And when Li Na made her historic run to the final in 2011 we achieved the highest ever broadcast exposure throughout Asia ... with 135 million tuning in across the region."

(Reporting by Nick Mulvenney in Sydney, editing by Peter Rutherford)

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The rule you are quoting to the best of my knowledge did NOT
apply to the (non junior) version of US Open 2012
To the last of what I have heard:
if she would like to play (non junior) version of Australian Open
she could get a wild card via the program of wild card exchanges
between USTA and Australian Tennis ...
I believe this would require a tacit support from USTA.
It is NOT automatic for non junior version but I have been wrong before
The issue will be clear in 2 months one way or another
The cost of a travelling coach OUTSIDE of USTA is another financial issue
I believe Taylor is playing in the AO wild card tournament in December in Atlanta.
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I believe Taylor is playing in the AO wild card tournament in December in Atlanta.
See my post above
http://www.examiner.com/article/usta...lanta-for-2012

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See my post above
I am just saying I think she is already scheduled for this as they sent an advertisement to my email today about the AO wildcard tournament in December in Atlanta.

Taylor was on the advertisement.
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I am just saying I think she is already scheduled for this as they sent an advertisement to my email today about the AO wildcard tournament in December in Atlanta.

Taylor was on the advertisement.
I hope that she is playing this AO wildcard tournament and win it....prove to people that she has what it takes to get to the next level.
However, IMO I am still not sold that she is ready.

I remember 2 years ago when Lauren Davis won both Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr and Yucatan Grade 1 coming into the AO wildcard with 18 matches winning streak and won the wildcard. Her Fairy Tale story ended when she lost first round to 5th seeded Sam Stosur 6-0, 6-0 at the Australian Open.
I still remember...... Lauren was quite gung ho giving her pre-AO interview that she will play aggressively and DICTATE the points with Stosur.
Moral of this story is.......even with someone quite dominating the Juniors, it will take a lot of work and quite sometime to get to that next level......to be a money making pro or a Grand Slam contender.

P.S. For Lauren Davis now, 2 years after that AO wildcard, I believe she just made it into the top 100 WTA ranking so.......Congratulations!!!

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I hope that she is playing this AO wildcard tournament and win it....prove to people that she has what it takes to get to the next level.
However, IMO I am still not sold that she is ready.

I remember 2 years ago when Lauren Davis won both Orange Bowl, Eddie Herr and Yucatan Grade 1 coming into the AO wildcard with 18 matches winning streak and won the wildcard. Her Fairy Tale story ended when she lost first round to 5th seeded Sam Stosur 6-0, 6-0 at the Australian Open.
I still remember...... Lauren was quite gung ho giving her pre-AO interview that she will play aggressively and DICTATE the points with Stosur.
Moral of this story is.......even with someone quite dominating the Juniors, it will take a lot of work and quite sometime to get to that next level......to be a money making pro or a Grand Slam contender.

P.S. For Lauren Davis now, 2 years after that AO wildcard, I believe she just made it into the top 100 WTA ranking so.......Congratulations!!!
It's hard for me to imagine Taylor being almost old enough to play a full schedule of WTA tournaments.

I remember her from a couple of years ago she was just a young local girl who was very talented, and now she is almost 17.

Wow, they really grow up fast.

It's completely amazing to how far she has come in the last 2.5-3 years. She is a tremendous talent and it will be exciting to see her play on a bigger stage, but she really is just a girl.

It's just hard for me to think of her as a WTA player just yet.

As for Lauren, that is great news that she has made it into the top 100. Her short stature is another thing that might make a top pro career more challenging for her, but it is nice to see some young Americans do well.

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I don't know exactly how to phrase this, but I will just say that I have seen several #1 in the world juniors who were in good shape and have not done anything decent at the tour level. Taylor Townsend is a very interesting case because she is ready for the high levels of the now if she can move. Basically, she is a diamond in the rough and fitness can be a fairly easy fix. I don't even think she should play juniors anymore, but she just can't break into the top 100 wta in the shape she is in.
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I don't know exactly how to phrase this, but I will just say that I have seen several #1 in the world juniors who were in good shape and have not done anything decent at the tour level. Taylor Townsend is a very interesting case because she is ready for the high levels of the now if she can move. Basically, she is a diamond in the rough and fitness can be a fairly easy fix. I don't even think she should play juniors anymore, but she just can't break into the top 100 wta in the shape she is in.
Exactly what pmac and the usta is thinking.I dont think the usta was trying to hurt Taylor i just think that they are trying to help her become the best she can be. No one really knows the whole story about how everything happened that is why im not going to judge anyone in this case.
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