This video makes me believe those that think Murray is more talented than RN and ND

[dangalak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZ2yY-GDB8

Lemme guess: he lost and therefore it means nothing.

Some of the shots he pulls of here are like a savant being at work. Sure Djokovic and Nadal are BETTER players, but I don't think they have the kind of tennis gift that allows Murray to play the way that he does. They win because they do ordinary things better than Murray. Murray is more talented IMO because he does extraordinairy things better. Talent=/=being better.

He may not be in the Nalbandian/Federer class of talent but

EDIT: This is the actual video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTnjCZr35NI

But you can watch the first one anyway.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by dangalak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZ2yY-GDB8

Lemme guess: he lost and therefore it means nothing.

Some of the shots he pulls of here are like a savant being at work. Sure Djokovic and Nadal are BETTER players, but I don't think they have the kind of tennis gift that allows Murray to play the way that he does. They win because they do ordinary things better than Murray. Murray is more talented IMO because he does extraordinairy things better. Talent=/=being better.

He may not be in the Nalbandian/Federer class of talent but

Wow! A thread that actually acknowledges Murray has some talent! Is that a first for TTW?

I completely agree with you but I'm not sure if a video of a Federer-Hewitt match is the best way to illustrate this!

[rommil]

This was when Murray was Australian.

[dangalak]

Sorry guys.

Still massive defense by Fed.

[Clarky21]

I don't think he's more talented than Cvac,but he is definitely more talented than Nadal.

[Cormorant]

Safin, Hewitt, Roddick and Federer -they could certainly hold a candle or two to the present Big Four. Throw in Ferrer, Del Potro and Tsonga/Berdych/Soderling, we could've had a Big Ten in 2008/2009. Curse you medical science for progressing so slowly!

[RF20Lennon]

Murray is more talented than nadal or djokovic but they both are better players

[sunof tennis]

I had forgotten that match. Pleasantly surprised to see Murray serve and volley. He has good hands.

[batz]

Originally Posted by dangalak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVZ2yY-GDB8

Lemme guess: he lost and therefore it means nothing.

Some of the shots he pulls of here are like a savant being at work. Sure Djokovic and Nadal are BETTER players, but I don't think they have the kind of tennis gift that allows Murray to play the way that he does. They win because they do ordinary things better than Murray. Murray is more talented IMO because he does extraordinairy things better. Talent=/=being better.

He may not be in the Nalbandian/Federer class of talent but

EDIT: This is the actual video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTnjCZr35NI

But you can watch the first one anyway.

Meh. It was probably just windy that day.

[AnotherTennisProdigy]

I've always thought Murray was the most talented when the 3 came along, he just didn't maximize his potential as well as the other 2. Nadal used his potential the best.

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by batz

Meh. It was probably just windy that day.

I see what you did there and had it not been sarcastic, I would have liked it!

[MichaelNadal]

What are we basing talent on and how can someone be more talented than someone with much better results? I don't feel one way or another, just trying to make sense of it.

[batz]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

What are we basing talent on and how can someone be more talented than someone with much better results? I don't feel one way or another, just trying to make sense of it.

Well said. I'm struggling to see how Rafa, with his 11 measly slams, is less talented than Murrray.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

What are we basing talent on and how can someone be more talented than someone with much better results? I don't feel one way or another, just trying to make sense of it.

By being a worse player.

Originally Posted by batz

Well said. I'm struggling to see how Rafa, with his 11 measly slams, is less talented than Murrray.

Do you actually watch him play? How could Rafa be more talented than Murray. Has he ever shown the kind of skill and variety that Murray showed in that video?

You probably also think that Roddick is more talented than Nalbandian and Soderling is more talented than Santoro.

Talented doesn't meant quality. But I was naive in expecting everyone to understand this.

Basically, what Nalbandian and Santoro, for example, have over the likes of Soderling and Roddick, is talent.

[batz]

Originally Posted by dangalak

By being a worse player.



Do you actually watch him play? How could Rafa be more talented than Murray. Has he ever shown the kind of skill and variety that Murray showed in that video?

You probably also think that Roddick is more talented than Nalbandian and Soderling is more talented than Santoro.

Talented doesn't meant quality. But I was naive in expecting everyone to understand this.

Basically, what Nalbandian and Santoro, for example, have over the likes of Soderling and Roddick, is talent.

I've seen a couple of Andy's matches down the years.

I've seen Nadal play with plenty of skill and variety, especially on clay and grass.

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by dangalak

By being a worse player.



Do you actually watch him play? How could Rafa be more talented than Murray. Has he ever shown the kind of skill and variety that Murray showed in that video?

You probably also think that Roddick is more talented than Nalbandian and Soderling is more talented than Santoro.

Talented doesn't meant quality. But I was naive in expecting everyone to understand this.

Basically, what Nalbandian and Santoro, for example, have over the likes of Soderling and Roddick, is talent.

In other words, talent is a term that is free from the constraints of reality. Let your imagination run wild!

Trust in flawed, human perception, we must! Dangalak has showed us the true path!

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by batz

I've seen a couple of Andy's matches down the years.

I've seen Nadal play with plenty of skill and variety, especially on clay and grass.

A: "Karlovic is taller than Nadal."
B: "How is that possible, he has won 11 fewer majors than Nadal."

A: "Monfils is more athletic than Nadal"
B: "How is that possible, he has won 11 fewer majors than Nadal."

A: "Murray is more talented than Nadal."
B: "How is that possible, he has 10 fewer majors than Nadal."

Get it now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CZr35NI#t=355s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CZr35NI#t=130s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CZr35NI#t=154s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CZr35NI#t=198s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CZr35NI#t=219s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CZr35NI#t=258s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...CZr35NI#t=309s

This is why I consider him more talented than Nadal.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

In other words, talent is a term that is free from the constraints of reality. Let your imagination run wild!

Trust in flawed, human perception, we must! Dangalak has showed us the true path!

Oh stop being so sore for God's sake.

[Sim]

Murray may have more more shots that he can show off, but what Nadal and Djokovic do, they do it extremely well. (well enough to win 11 and 5 slams respectively).

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by Sim

Murray may have more more shots that he can show off, but what Nadal and Djokovic do, they do it extremely well. (well enough to win 11 and 5 slams respectively).

Hence why I said that they are BETTER. I mean, if you watch my clips and still disagree, fine.

But he is making Nadal look awfully stupid in some of those rallies. I rarely had the same feeling with Nadal. At least never with that extent.