Is Raonic out of his mind or he just expect too much from himself?

[Gut Check]

But the placement...what about the frickin placement? Where's your stat for that? Huh?

Originally Posted by dangalak

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Rankings/MatchFacts.aspx

Service games won:

Raonic: 93%
Federer: 91%

1st serve points won:

Raonic: 83%
Federer: 78%

Aces:

Raonic: 858
Federer: 559

Keep in mind that Federer has played 14 matches more.

Aces per match:

Raonic: 15,6
Federer: 8,1

Raonic hits almost TWICE as many aces per match.


Now keep in mind that he is THIS superior, while having only a fraction of Federer's rallying ability. If the rest of his game was as good as Federer's, his serve would be even more superior.

[Evan77]

alright, I lose, you 2 win - Raonic is a better server (this year). still not sure about prime Fed, it might be just my impression tho. I assume those stats are 2012 right?

Gut, like really, how do I give you stats for placement? you serious? if you give me stats for court coverage I'll give you stats for placement . My point about placement is that your serve can be very effective without being a bomb every time.

[Gut Check]

Originally Posted by Evan77

if you give me stats for court coverage I'll give you stats for placement

What the hell? Have today's poasts taught you nothing? All you need to know about court coverage is right here;

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by Evan77

alright, I lose, you 2 win - Raonic is a better server (this year). still not sure about prime Fed, it might be just my impression tho. I assume those stats are 2012 right?

Gut, like really, how do I give you stats for placement? you serious? if you give me stats for court coverage I'll give you stats for placement . My point about placement is that your serve can be very effective without being a bomb every time.

There are several guy who are better servers than Federer.

They are much worse PLAYERS than Federer though, which is why Federer can hold about as often.

Not to mention that Raonic places his serve just as well as Federer, only he serves it about 20 mph harder.

[Evan77]

Originally Posted by Gut Check

What the hell? Have today's poasts taught you nothing? All you need to know about court coverage is right here;

I was j/k, there is a smiley at the end of my sentence you quoted. I also admitted I was wrong and too casual in my original post when I said to Dang I wasn't giving him 'serve'.

cute pic about court coverage btw

[Evan77]

Originally Posted by dangalak

There are several guy who are better servers than Federer.

They are much worse PLAYERS than Federer though, which is why Federer can hold about as often.

Not to mention that Raonic places his serve just as well as Federer, only he serves it about 20 mph harder.

as I mentioned already, dang, I was just casual and kinda ****ed with Milos claiming that he is 'close to Fed' ... I wasn't even thinking about their respective serves, percentages etc ... you guys took it seriously and you are right, no problem there.

[Gut Check]

Originally Posted by Evan77

as I mentioned already, dang, I was just casual and kinda ****ed with Milos claiming that he is 'close to Fed' ... I wasn't even thinking about their respective serves, percentages etc ... you guys took it seriously and you are right, no problem there.

Well crap, if you want to actually talk seriously for a second, the overall service stats quoted above don't take into account the "quality" factor. I'm not going to take the time to verify with a hard analysis, but I'm fairly certain we'd find that the average ranking of the players Fed has played are a noticeable notch up the scale from Raonic's opponents. That's a factor of both Fed playing higher quality tournaments on average, and also going deeper in the draw on average. Those higher quality players make it more difficult for Fed to pad his stats on service effectiveness, and even ace counts (I'll hypothesize that better players on average read incoming serves better and get aced less).

I don't think any of the big 4 are afraid of Raonic's service game. They know that to be the best they have to absorb the best of what the field has to throw at them. That being said, you can't tell me that anyone is really happy going in there against the Raonic service game. Even with limited (but improving) tools to back up his delivery, he's already better than Karlovic ever was, and I remember all the talk from the top players about how awkward it was to play Karlovic before he started slipping in recent years.

The number of matches when opponents have really started to get a hold on Raonic's service have been very few and far between. Muzza got on top of it at USO and all credit to him, but the majority of Raonic service games for the foreseeable future are going to be mostly on his racket in terms of the outcome.

[Rozroz]

Originally Posted by Gut Check

Well crap, if you want to actually talk seriously for a second, the overall service stats quoted above don't take into account the "quality" factor. I'm not going to take the time to verify with a hard analysis, but I'm fairly certain we'd find that the average ranking of the players Fed has played are a noticeable notch up the scale from Raonic's opponents. That's a factor of both Fed playing higher quality tournaments on average, and also going deeper in the draw on average. Those higher quality players make it more difficult for Fed to pad his stats on service effectiveness, and even ace counts (I'll hypothesize that better players on average read incoming serves better and get aced less).

I don't think any of the big 4 are afraid of Raonic's service game. They know that to be the best they have to absorb the best of what the field has to throw at them. That being said, you can't tell me that anyone is really happy going in there against the Raonic service game. Even with limited (but improving) tools to back up his delivery, he's already better than Karlovic ever was, and I remember all the talk from the top players about how awkward it was to play Karlovic before he started slipping in recent years.

The number of matches when opponents have really started to get a hold on Raonic's service have been very few and far between. Muzza got on top of it at USO and all credit to him, but the majority of Raonic service games for the foreseeable future are going to be mostly on his racket in terms of the outcome.

good one! i'll drink to that

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by Gut Check

Well crap, if you want to actually talk seriously for a second, the overall service stats quoted above don't take into account the "quality" factor. I'm not going to take the time to verify with a hard analysis, but I'm fairly certain we'd find that the average ranking of the players Fed has played are a noticeable notch up the scale from Raonic's opponents. That's a factor of both Fed playing higher quality tournaments on average, and also going deeper in the draw on average. Those higher quality players make it more difficult for Fed to pad his stats on service effectiveness, and even ace counts (I'll hypothesize that better players on average read incoming serves better and get aced less).

I don't think any of the big 4 are afraid of Raonic's service game. They know that to be the best they have to absorb the best of what the field has to throw at them. That being said, you can't tell me that anyone is really happy going in there against the Raonic service game. Even with limited (but improving) tools to back up his delivery, he's already better than Karlovic ever was, and I remember all the talk from the top players about how awkward it was to play Karlovic before he started slipping in recent years.

The number of matches when opponents have really started to get a hold on Raonic's service have been very few and far between. Muzza got on top of it at USO and all credit to him, but the majority of Raonic service games for the foreseeable future are going to be mostly on his racket in terms of the outcome.

Regardless of the "opposition", Raonic's serve is still vastly superior to Federer's

[Big_Dangerous]

Originally Posted by wy2sl0

When he beat Murray on clay this year it was from his ground game mostly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GfkZjcwJ8k

About 10 times better. Period.

Karlovic can't even hit a backhand. Get lost troll.

I think that might be the first post 6-1 has made that didn't have one single mention of Nadal in it... Wow, I am blown away.

[forzamilan90]

I think Raonic's legit. Serve is the best on tour imo, but he's got power game on the baseline too. The matches he played against Federer he impressed me, displayed lots of power and good ground game and movement wasn't as bad as I was expecting it to be. He'll be a top 10 player for sure.

[VPhuc tennis fan]

I think for tall players, they often give the impression they lumber around, having no speed at all. In reality, many move as good as smaller guys. Just a trick our own eyes play us, or the camera, I don't know. I remember this ice hockey player Mario Lemieux, often talked as the heir of Wayne Gretzky. Most fans think of him as slow, but the players themselves admitted they got fooled many times when Mario just zoomed by them with a lightning first step. Perhaps Raonic is not so slow as many tend to think.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by VPhuc tennis fan

I think for tall players, they often give the impression they lumber around, having no speed at all. In reality, many move as good as smaller guys. Just a trick our own eyes play us, or the camera, I don't know. I remember this ice hockey player Mario Lemieux, often talked as the heir of Wayne Gretzky. Most fans think of him as slow, but the players themselves admitted they got fooled many times when Mario just zoomed by them with a lightning first step. Perhaps Raonic is not so slow as many tend to think.

Erm, yes he is. Isner probably moves better than him.

[VPhuc tennis fan]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Erm, yes he is. Isner probably moves better than him.

Don't take me wrong. I never argue Raonic doesn't have to improve his mobility. He does. But I just want to keep things in perspective as regard to some the tall players, in tennis or in any sport. For some of them, their speed is very deceiving. Camera, or sitting on the higher stand just don't do them justice.