Is Murray the greatest hardcourt returner ever?

[Evan77]

Originally Posted by kiki

The OP never heard of guys named Connors,Agassi,Mecir,Laver,Lendl,Borg.Kafelnikov to name a few...

yeah Kiki, you are right. the only thing is that they started collecting these stats in 90s I believe so it's impossible to compare these stats with players from 60s, 70s and 80s as they didn't exist.

[The-Champ]

How does Hewitt being karlovic' little pigeon damage his credibility as a returner?

[The Bawss]

I knew the OP would get torn apart by the Agatards. It's true though, his success is a product of the slow era and the "Federer making everyone improve to be able to compete era" most probably.

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by batz

Good to see such reasonable responses so far. For my part - I can't see past Agassi in any 'best returner' debate.

Originally Posted by kiki

The OP never heard of guys named Connors,Agassi,Mecir,Laver,Lendl,Borg.Kafelnikov to name a few...

Huh?? Batz is the OP. Batz clearly admitted that he considers Agassi the best returner.

For heaven's sake, read properly before being a patronizing historian.

[TheF1Bob]

Originally Posted by Evan77

Agassi is the best returner if I have to chose. He was able not just to return but to literally punish you hitting crazy winners.

Murray is a great returner, no question, but he doesn't do much with it, he simply put the ball back. I think that Djokovic is more agressive with his ROS and that's why some experts think that he is a better returner than Murray (both JMac and Agassi claimed that in their interviews).

Very true, Murray is more consistent of the two but Novak, when on song, attacks like there is no tomorrow.

60/40 for Novak.

[dangalak]

In the current era, returning aggressively isn't as important since people don't come in. Murray can beat most people off the ground anyway, so his best bet is to neutralize the serve. It gave Federer fits at Wimbledon and led to Murray crushing him in the Olympic final. Do you think Djokovic would've given Federer the near bagel that Murray gave him in the second set? Djokovic, even at his best couldn't neutralize Federer's return like that, even if Federer was tired. Murray was doing to Federer, what Federer typically does to Roddick.

That is why I woud consider Murray superior to Djokovic.

Besides, what about Ferrer? Guy clearly has worse groundies than Djokovic, but still is ahead of him in return statistics.

[RF20Lennon]

Murray definitely more consistent!!

[sonicare]

Originally Posted by dangalak

In the current era, returning aggressively isn't as important since people don't come in. Murray can beat most people off the ground anyway, so his best bet is to neutralize the serve. It gave Federer fits at Wimbledon and led to Murray crushing him in the Olympic final. Do you think Djokovic would've given Federer the near bagel that Murray gave him in the second set? Djokovic, even at his best couldn't neutralize Federer's return like that, even if Federer was tired. Murray was doing to Federer, what Federer typically does to Roddick.

That is why I woud consider Murray superior to Djokovic.

Besides, what about Ferrer? Guy clearly has worse groundies than Djokovic, but still is ahead of him in return statistics.

terrible post. full of holes

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by sonicare

terrible post. full of holes

yes sir, trollface sir

[oy vey]

Originally Posted by NikeWilson

Agreed.

Infact, I still think Djokovic is the best returner in the game today, not Murray.

According to J McEnroe, Agassi and Sampras, it's Novak.

[sonicare]

Originally Posted by dangalak

yes sir, trollface sir

glad you agree.

[The-Champ]

From the last 20 years, my ranking would be:

1. Agassi
2. Murray
3. Hewitt
4. Djokovic
5. Federer

[OverratedIvanovic]

Certainly the best returner at the moment on the tour, better than Djokovic. Djokovic although has a more aggressive return but he misses a lot too. Murray although not aggressive as Djokovic is way more consistent and does a great job at getting the serves back in play. But Djokovic does one thing better i.e. returning Rafa's serve. The way he manhandles Rafa's serve on HC is mind-boggling

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by OverratedIvanovic

Certainly the best returner at the moment on the tour, better than Djokovic. Djokovic although has a more aggressive return but he misses a lot too. Murray although not aggressive as Djokovic is way more consistent and does a great job at getting the serves back in play. But Djokovic does one thing better i.e. returning Rafa's serve. The way he manhandles Rafa's serve on HC is mind-boggling

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by The-Champ

From the last 20 years, my ranking would be:

1. Agassi
2. Murray
3. Hewitt
4. Djokovic
5. Federer

I would put Hewitt and Murray ahead of Agassi, followed by Djokovic and probably replace Federer with somebody like Davydenko. (ridiculous stats)

Originally Posted by oy vey

According to J McEnroe, Agassi and Sampras, it's Novak.

Legends like to ride the badwagon.