Shanghai draw analysis

[The Bawss]

Originally Posted by Clarky21

Toronto was so bad this year it was practically a challenger event,and Beijing was almost just as bad. His draws and luck have been off the charts over the past two years.

This. At the USO he played nobody until the final where he lost to Lolrray, probably because he had forgotten what real opposition felt like.

[Mainad]

Originally Posted by The Bawss

This. At the USO he played nobody until the final where he lost to Lolrray, probably because he had forgotten what real opposition felt like.

Is Del Potro a nobody these days? I recall he did win the title in 2009!

[rofl_copter3]

Originally Posted by Mainad

Is Del Potro a nobody these days? I recall he did win the title in 2009!

Del Potro is a shell of his 2009 self...

[RogerFan1991]

^^^ I agree. The difference in the race rankings come from the 2 masters 1000 that federer did not play, talking about Monte Carlo and Toronto, where djokovic took advantage, and gained 1600 pts.
If djokovic ends up number 1 this year, will be because of federer not playing all masters, which is logic, but djoko play them all knowing the tons of points he had to defend, and that might be the clue for him to retain the 1 spot. Anyways, if there's something im sure about is that federer is gonna make something special in these last 3 or 4 tournaments.

[Evan77]

Originally Posted by RogerFan1991

^^^ I agree. The difference in the race rankings come from the 2 masters 1000 that federer did not play, talking about Monte Carlo and Toronto, where djokovic took advantage, and gained 1600 pts.
If djokovic ends up number 1 this year, will be because of federer not playing all masters, which is logic, but djoko play them all knowing the tons of points he had to defend, and that might be the clue for him to retain the 1 spot. Anyways, if there's something im sure about is that federer is gonna make something special in these last 3 or 4 tournaments.

what a bunch of boloney ... Djokovic played less tournaments than Fed this year and did much better at slams. before you post something stupid check your facts first. why is Novak leading the race, 1500 points ahead of Federina? Let me tell ya, he is simply having a better year than Fed. Beijing is only 2nd 500 tournament Novak played this year. yeah, Fed didn't play 'all' masters meaning Rogers cup in Toronto but he managed to play in Rotterdam vulturing 500 points there.

and good luck with Fed retaining #1 spot and 'making something special'. he won't defend his 3000 points, regardless what Djokovic does plus Djokovic can only gain points and he has nothing really to defend in next 3 tournaments. Novak would need to lose in R1 of all tournaments he enters and that ain't happening. Remind you, except Madrid where he lost in QF, Djokovic reached semis/finals/wins of all tournaments he entered this year.

Observing his very fine form in Beijing, this trend will probably continue. Fed's lack of play (didn't play any tournaments after the USO) also might cost him in Shanghai, although he has a relatively easy draw there till semis, where Murray will be awaiting. Djokovic won both Paris and WTF before, and altough Fed is a better indoor player, Novak is pretty good indoors too.

so, there you have it. my analysis is pretty realistic unlike your day dreaming.

[RogerFan1991]

Originally Posted by Evan77

what a bunch of boloney ... Djokovic played less tournaments than Fed this year and did much better at slams. before you post something stupid check your facts first. why is Novak leading the race, 1500 points ahead of Federina? Let me tell ya, he is simply having a better year than Fed. Beijing is only 2nd 500 tournament Novak played this year. yeah, Fed didn't play 'all' masters meaning Rogers cup in Toronto but he managed to play in Rotterdam vulturing 500 points there.

and good luck with Fed retaining #1 spot and 'making something special'. he won't defend his 3000 points, regardless what Djokovic does plus Djokovic can only gain points and he has nothing really to defend in next 3 tournaments. Novak would need to lose in R1 of all tournaments he enters and that ain't happening. Remind you, except Madrid where he lost in QF, Djokovic reached semis/finals/wins of all tournaments he entered this year.

Observing his very fine form in Beijing, this trend will probably continue. Fed's lack of play (didn't play any tournaments after the USO) also might cost him in Shanghai, although he has a relatively easy draw there till semis, where Murray will be awaiting. Djokovic won both Paris and WTF before, and altough Fed is a better indoor player, Novak is pretty good indoors too.

so, there you have it. my analysis is pretty realistic unlike your day dreaming.

Well, i dont think this anlysis is too realistic: Federer played just one more tournament than djokovic, and that tournament is an atp 500, while djokovic played two more masters, so big difference of points there, the atp says federer played 16 including the 2 davis cup play-offs federer played, so realistically roger played 14 tournaments and nole 13.

Another thing is federer has won more tournaments than djoko, so its not realistic to say nole had a much better year than fed as you say.

Also, federer played two matches best of five vs netherlands soon after us open, and he won them in straights, dont think he's gonna be with lack of play.

And you should take in consideration that djokovic has been playing so much, he played consecutively olympics, toronto and cincinnati, reacheing the final of the las two, then a 5-set final vs murray at us open, then beijing, whilr federer has managed his calendar in a better way, not playing toronto nor beijing, and he lost early in the us open.......so i wouldnt be surprised if a tired nole suffers a few shock defeats in coming tournaments.

[kaku]

Hard to see Novak not making the final

[Evan77]

Originally Posted by RogerFan1991

Well, i dont think this anlysis is too realistic: Federer played just one more tournament than djokovic, and that tournament is an atp 500, while djokovic played two more masters, so big difference of points there, the atp says federer played 16 including the 2 davis cup play-offs federer played, so realistically roger played 14 tournaments and nole 13.

Another thing is federer has won more tournaments than djoko, so its not realistic to say nole had a much better year than fed as you say.

Also, federer played two matches best of five vs netherlands soon after us open, and he won them in straights, dont think he's gonna be with lack of play.

And you should take in consideration that djokovic has been playing so much, he played consecutively olympics, toronto and cincinnati, reacheing the final of the las two, then a 5-set final vs murray at us open, then beijing, whilr federer has managed his calendar in a better way, not playing toronto nor beijing, and he lost early in the us open.......so i wouldnt be surprised if a tired nole suffers a few shock defeats in coming tournaments.

I'm really not sure what part you don't understand. Fed can NOT gain any points in Basel, Paris and WTF even if he somehow manages to win all 3 tournaments. Neither Djokovic or Fed played in Shangai last year so they will both gain points there, but with Novak's cake draw in Shangai I doubt he'll lose before the final. Novak can only gain points in all tournaments left to be played in 2012. If you look at the trend, as I said already, Djokovic reached F/SF or won in all tournaments he entered this year except Madrid (lost in QF). That's why he is leading the race by 1500 points. Yes, theoretically he could lose early in all tournaments left to be played but it's very unlikely based on his current form, fitness and overall performance this year.

I do understand that as a Fed fan you want Fed to end up as #1, but it is not very realistic.