Genesis Black Magic

[drakulie]

Originally Posted by purple-n-gold

so how long does it take you to snap poly jolly??

Not sure if you are making a reference to jollyroger,........ If you are, this will be the last post I respond to you. If not, my apologies.

Here is my answer:

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

yea but if can keep the 4G on your racket twice as long as BM then isn't the price differential worth it ?

Originally Posted by drakulie

You can't, they snap at about the same time.

As you could see above, nostradamus is saying if the 4G lasts twice as long, then the cost of it (nearly twice as much) is worth it. I stated you can't, because they snap at about the same time.

I have completed reviews on both strings, and liked both. Both strings have good attributes. However, both strings snapped between the 8-10 hour mark. The 4g did not last 18-20 hours. In fact, although it held it's initial tension better than black magic, it did in fact have a wider tension loss than the black magic, and began losing its attributes before the black magic did.

[purple-n-gold]

so is that 8 hours of drilling, hitting etc? I would imagine that would wear out the poly quicker....using one frame til the string breaks, rather than rotating sticks during match play. I know of a few people that stay with one frame til the string snaps, I have not done that since playing with gut.

I could count the times on one hand that I have actually snapped a full poly job, prefer to cut them out shortly after the snap back ceases.

[drakulie]

purple, when I playtest strings, I keep them in the frame until they snap, and only use that one frame. My playtests consists of drilling with an ex-challenger level player, and hitting with a few of the juniors and pros at the Solomon Academy as well as my wife who was an ex-top 10 junior in Poland.

As soon as I string the frame, I take a ert 300, String bed deflection (SBD) on a Babolat RDC, as well as a string meter measurement. Then repeat 24 hours later, then before and after every hit until the string breaks.

I ask for feedback from the person I'm hitting with, as well as my own experience when concluding findings on a particular string.

Hope this helps.

[mikeler]

Originally Posted by drakulie

purple, when I playtest strings, I keep them in the frame until they snap, and only use that one frame. My playtests consists of drilling with an ex-challenger level player, and hitting with a few of the juniors and pros at the Solomon Academy as well as my wife who was an ex-top 10 junior in Poland.

As soon as I string the frame, I take a ert 300, String bed deflection (SBD) on a Babolat RDC, as well as a string meter measurement. Then repeat 24 hours later, then before and after every hit until the string breaks.

I ask for feedback from the person I'm hitting with, as well as my own experience when concluding findings on a particular string.

Hope this helps.

If you could only find some better competition!

Does Black Magic bleed on the ball?

[purple-n-gold]

I notice on serves the most after 3-4hr of play, just a few polys I've tried seem to still have "good life" in them after that period...so I try to use the fresher job when it comes to serves. Still though most of the guys I play with aren't snapping poly regularly, 4.5s, ex Div1 and and former college players. When someone does bust a string it's usually the guy that plays syn gut

Which string meter do you use btw, really thinking about picking up the tourna one.

[Grut]

Tanks for the answer, I will try it in 2 days.

[FloridaAG]

I am a bizarre case - and Drak knows how I play, as I use full poly, generally do not break strings and leave them in a fairly long time.

I am probably at 10-12 hours of play with Black Magic strung at 52 in my Dunlop M-Fil 200s - little drilling and mostly match play so perhaps lasting longer. I am just noticing a drop off - It also took about an hour for the string to break in to where I like it.

[Power Player]

AG, I am with you. It takes an hour to break the BM in. the first hour I was not that impressed and then the next time I hit with it, I was loving it.

It seems to me like BM is a lower powered poly that is extremely good for control. I am having serious problems picking between BM and polybreak right now. the polybreak is giving me a lot more power and I am not sure if I want that or not.

What I notice is that when it is time to hit out and end a point, the precision with BM is laserlike. With polybreak I swing real easy and massage the ball around more. Both styles of play work..it is just easier to miss long with the PB, so ill need to ramp up the tension.

I string BM at 42/40.

[zapvor]

Originally Posted by mikeler

If you could only find some better competition!

Does Black Magic bleed on the ball?

haha right!

in my experience no. blizzard does though

[Torres]

No break in required for me. Its good from the word go.

[Power Player]

Originally Posted by Torres

No break in required for me. Its good from the word go.

I think you are right, but what I notice is when you first come back to BM you have to adjust. Plus the string naturally will lose some tension after that first session as well. So that break in period will probably be a lot less noticeable the more I use the string.

Everything you are saying is in line with me though. I notice that you need to commit to the shots and this string is not for tentative strokes. I believe that this is a string that can die 5-6 hours, but for me it lasts 8-10. Maybe this is because I string in the low 40s.

Regardless I am going to have to simply spend time between the BM and polybreak, but I have more confidence to hit out with the BM right now. the control I have with this string is noticeably better.

I think if you use poly you should be stringing once a week. If you can not do that, dont use full poly. It is not a string that lasts forever.

[Torres]

Apart from a couple of experiments, I've been restringing around the 5-6 hour mark to maintain maximum performance. They're like F1 tires - maximum performance when fresh but not designed too last forever. I definitely notice some tension loss over a period of 8-10 days, even without a great deal of hitting, with the string bed becoming softer and more spongey, on the way to the string dying. Great performance string though.

[Power Player]

Yes. I have had mine strung for 2 weeks and used for about 5 hours. Should get 1 more session out of it. My last one was rather awesome. So much control. Love the loud pop off the bed as well.

[Power Player]

Forgot to add that the string has lost 7#s overall since coming off the stringer according to racquettune.

[Power Player]

Well I made it to 8 hours. When the string dies it seems to start vibrating a lot more. Does anyone else notice this?

It still plays pretty well for me even when it goes. It looked heavily notched when I cut it out so it was probably about to break anytime.

Stringing a new set up tonight at 44/42.

[bad_call]

PP - got 11 hrs or so on the B5E/Nvy in the yy200 and still looking good. could it be that the yy200 is easier on strings than the 4D100 ? (was getting 15 hrs or so on hartru before control faded in the 4D100).

[Power Player]

It is possible, but I seem to break them pretty fast if it is not full poly.

But yeah, if they do not break, the full poly seems to last and play well for 8-10 hours.

If I ever have to go to a softer gut setup, I would probably have to go with a tighter patterned stick though unfortunately.

[Nojoke]

Would anyone mind comparing BM to turbotwist, bhbr, and iontec? Power, spin, playabilty duration? Thanks!

[3fees]

Originally Posted by Orion

What a great poly. It was easy to string and plays stiff like you expect a poly to, but this string pockets the ball really well and offers a level of comfort and control I've yet to experience in poly string.

I tried the 16g and crossed it with Gamma Synthetic 16. Very nice feel. Good touch on volleys and stiff enough to bang from the baseline.

Someone posted in another thread that a reel will retail for $85, any truth to this?

Since your into Genesis, You should give Genesis Hexonic 18L a shot,, Hexonic is a hexagonal shaped polyester string. The color is red . 18L gauge is 1.09mm,very thin and very strong string, plenty of spin.

[bad_call]

hit with PP and tried new full BM in yy200 at low 40s tension. felt boardie, lacking "dwell" but reasonably comfortable. not a string "asset" for this player's game. however the polybreak was another story and game play demonstrated the positives. PP's game play with polybreak > BM.

that said, game styles vary along with string preference benefiting each style.