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Old 10-09-2012, 07:22 AM   #21
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Bleacher report- the bible of tennis. Ha, ha, ha.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:13 AM   #22
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Bleacher report- the bible of tennis. Ha, ha, ha.
It is the alpha and the omega compared to that article.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:16 AM   #23
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In a new series of articles on Tennis Australia online Rod Laver and Roger Federer are compared in their careers. To me those articles seem to be quite careful researched and well rounded. The famous Australian tennis writer Alan Trengove, the nestor of Australian tennis experts, gives his recent opinion here:
http://www.tennis.com.au/news/2012/0...er-of-his-time
Trengove might be a first-class tennis writer. But I could not understand him when he blamed Joe McCauley's marvellous book for giving "too many results".
In fact Joe's book was the first to give a good view over the whole pro's history.

Many posters here haver been influenced by it.
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Some, if they have the intellectual capacity, should note, that the article is a piece in a whole series of articles (links are on the side), where differerent views and opinions are sampled. The Federer fanboys should read the other piece. Trengove has covered tennis for more than 50 years, he has seen more tennis and more written on tennis than any here together. His books on Davis Cup, Australian Open and Professional Tennis are standard reference works. Actually his book Art of Tennis, written with the cream of the pros as Hoad, Rosewall, Gonzalez, Sedgman, Budge, Segura and Laver, and edited in 8 languages, was the first book on tennis, i have ever read, and it brought me to the sport.

the question isn't about Trengove's articles/tennis journalism. It is about this article, which is plainly poor and badly researched ...... as many have pointed out with various points, including me ......
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Point is, Trengove is a leading authority in tennis terms...Unknown posters here are not.
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You still dazzed and frustrated that Kodes won 2 RG to your beloved Roger 1?
no, not at all Kodes was the luckiest player ever and had 3 of the weakest draws possible to win his slams ...

Most ( well all people - Kodestards) know federer is a superior claycourter to Kodes by some distance

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Laver 3 Slams to Roger 0?
he won one slam ( the amateur one doesn't count ) and didn't dominate as much as federer did over a 4 year stretch ( 2004-2007 )


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Sampras, Borg and Gonzales would laugh at Federer ridiculous opposition forlong and long years while they played strong eras?
what they'd laugh at is your dumb suggestion that this era is weak ....... and most of your other posts here ...

Kodes being on the same level as Vines
federer being in the 3rd tier of greats

etc etc ...
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Point is, Trengove is a leading authority in tennis terms...Unknown posters here are not.
so is mac ... and he says nadal is the best volleyer in the modern era ... go figure ....

point is this particular article is a poorly written & researched one ... refute the points against it raised by the posters here.......instead of repeating how good trengove was/is ...
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Bobby One, i didn't know, that Trengove was critical on McCauley's book. The book is imo the most important contribution to tennis in the last 15 years.
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The writer is from Australia so it's clear that he's biased toward Laver. Few years ago Peter Bodo admitted that he was biased toward Sampras when comparing as to who's the greatest. These writers are biased toward their countryman. If you want a writer to provide objective assessment between Federer and Laver, Steve Flink is a good example.
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To certain people, if it does not laud Federer to the skies and even hints in the subtlest way that he is not the greatest, then it is by definition "poorly researched and badly written."
Yes, and that's why there's so many old-timers support The Tennis Channel.

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Bobby One, i didn't know, that Trengove was critical on McCauley's book. The book is imo the most important contribution to tennis in the last 15 years.
Yes, Joe's book is a milestone of the description of tennis history. It was very good that Joe brought a huge amount of results and other information.

By the way, I originally wanted to publish a book on pros' history and discussed the issue with Joe. But I quickly realized that Joe is the better man to write and publish such a book for several reasons: Joe was the better writer than me, he kept much more results than I did and, last not least, he had more money to publish the book.

Maybe Andrew Tas can publish a book with additional information one day...

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hold up why is Limp banned?
Probably because he wrote some insulting words against me including a strange comparison of mine with Günther Parche...
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no, not at all Kodes was the luckiest player ever and had 3 of the weakest draws possible to win his slams ...

Most ( well all people - Kodestards) know federer is a superior claycourter to Kodes by some distance



he won one slam ( the amateur one doesn't count ) and didn't dominate as much as federer did over a 4 year stretch ( 2004-2007 )




what they'd laugh at is your dumb suggestion that this era is weak ....... and most of your other posts here ...

Kodes being on the same level as Vines
federer being in the 3rd tier of greats

etc etc ...
If 62 not counting them 67 does, you cannot dispise bot
Laver dominated 5 or 6 yrs in a row from 64 to 70 although I would say in 70 it is too close and that surpasses Federer who dominated 2003-2007
I feel so bad for Fed being so unrespectfully owned by Nadal that I rise him to second tier, don' t ask me for more generousity
About Kodes, do you know how Napoleon chose his generals?
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The writer is from Australia so it's clear that he's biased toward Laver. Few years ago Peter Bodo admitted that he was biased toward Sampras when comparing as to who's the greatest. These writers are biased toward their countryman. If you want a writer to provide objective assessment between Federer and Laver, Steve Flink is a good example.
Why not a swiss journalist?
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Yes, and that's why there's so many old-timers support The Tennis Channel.

Is there an insult here? Should I be offended? Alas, I cannot discern.

(Your ironic subtlety is obfuscatory.)
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When shall we stablish a ponderating factor for titles so that we convert them all into " the same currency" to so say it?


It will be a very very hard battle between the two kind of segments we have here in TT, but it will be really passionating....
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Why not a swiss journalist?
If it was Swiss the OP wouldn't have created this thread.
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Is there an insult here? Should I be offended? Alas, I cannot discern.

(Your ironic subtlety is obfuscatory.)
Don't take it seriously. You should know me by now.
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Bobby One, i didn't know, that Trengove was critical on McCauley's book. The book is imo the most important contribution to tennis in the last 15 years.
I would think McCauley's book is one of THE most important books in tennis history. It opened the former hidden information of the Old Pro Tour. McCauley did a wonderful job on the book.
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