Wilson will shut down Vortex

[Sander001]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Anything that increases spin should be banned - doesn't matter what it is or what the technology is. Spin should come from your technique and hard practice and not from your racquet or your strings.

So since your 16x19 racquet produces more spin than an18x20, it should be banned; it's an unfair advantage.
Must be quite the ethical struggle each time you step on the tennis court.

[The Dark Knight]

Ya know I was thinking ....

They should make one in a 90 inch frame .

I bet it would help Fed?

[Rock Strongo]

Originally Posted by Sander001

So since your 16x19 racquet produces more spin than an18x20, it should be banned; it's an unfair advantage.
Must be quite the ethical struggle each time you step on the tennis court.

We should all be playing the old 22x30 Pro Kennex Micro racquets strung at a very high tension, all to completely eliminate ANY spin.

[SoBad]

Originally Posted by Rock Strongo

We should all be playing the old 22x30 Pro Kennex Micro racquets strung at a very high tension, all to completely eliminate ANY spin.

I am switching to a 18#20 Tfight320.

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by SoBad

I am switching to a 18#20 Tfight320.

Too much steam for ya? ....bit too wild ? i understand you need somethimg a bit more tame like an 18x20......its always about control for women. .

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by The Dark Knight

Can't handle the steam....too wild for ya ?

The Steam may just be full of hot air.

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

The Steam may just be full of hot air.

Lol ....good one !

You have to take it for a ride and find out !

[SFrazeur]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Anything that increases spin should be banned - doesn't matter what it is or what the technology is. Spin should come from your technique and hard practice and not from your racquet or your strings.

Increases spin over what standard?

-SF

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Sander001

So since your 16x19 racquet produces more spin than an18x20, it should be banned; it's an unfair advantage.
Must be quite the ethical struggle each time you step on the tennis court.

If that's true, then yes, it should be banned. But the thing is, I get just as much spin, sometimes even more spin, with 18x20 racquets as I do with 16x19 racquets. Why? Because I generate spin with my technique and not with my racquet or strings. I generate just as much spin with multis as I do with poly strings, which is why I don't use poly. I don't choose racquets because of string pattern because I can hit with as much spin with any pattern.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by SFrazeur

Increases spin over what standard?

-SF

The standard 65 sq. in. wood racquet with the standard 18x20 pattern strung with the standard natural gut strings.

The reason why 85 sq. in. racquet are called MIDsize and 107 sq. in. racquets are called OVERsize is because 65 sq. in. racquets are the STANDARD size.

[dmcb101]

I think the game has evolved and it is silly to try and "standardize" equipment so that people can hit with better technique. Regardless of who is playing, the ones with the best technique will be the best over those who have the same equipment with poor technique. The only thing that can come from using a wood racquet and 18X20 string pattern is the same old game. When everyone uses new technology the game evolves (whether you think that is good or bad) at an equal level from the club player up to the pro's; the best technique will always prevail regardless of the technology!

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

Anything that increases spin should be banned - doesn't matter what it is or what the technology is. Spin should come from your technique and hard practice and not from your racquet or your strings.

Then you better file a case against Federer, because he has been using a special open pattern in the sweetzone.

[Justin-JP]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

The standard 65 sq. in. wood racquet with the standard 18x20 pattern strung with the standard natural gut strings.

The reason why 85 sq. in. racquet are called MIDsize and 107 sq. in. racquets are called OVERsize is because 65 sq. in. racquets are the STANDARD size.

Sounds to me like you want the 'standard' from your generation to last forever. This is 2012, not 1980. You're also using a graphite racket with an open pattern in contradiction with your argument.

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

If that's true, then yes, it should be banned. But the thing is, I get just as much spin, sometimes even more spin, with 18x20 racquets as I do with 16x19 racquets. Why? Because I generate spin with my technique and not with my racquet or strings. I generate just as much spin with multis as I do with poly strings, which is why I don't use poly. I don't choose racquets because of string pattern because I can hit with as much spin with any pattern.

Everyone generates spin with technique, regardless of how slow or poor that form maybe. If you cannot produce more spin with poly, then well, it says something for your technique to develop racket head speed. I now understand why you feel bitter about tech enhancements; you'd love to make use of them (see the racket you have) but do not have the form to do so, and thus, poly et al should be banned.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Then you better file a case against Federer, because he has been using a special open pattern in the sweetzone.

What's so special about it?

His racquet has equal string spacing in the sweetzone. It was the retail version of the nCode90 that had denser string spacing in the sweetzone than the rest of the stringbed. So there was never anything "special" about his stringbed. It was the retail nCode90 that had a "special" stringbed.

[BreakPoint]

Originally Posted by Justin-JP

Sounds to me like you want the 'standard' from your generation to last forever. This is 2012, not 1980. You're also using a graphite racket with an open pattern in contradiction with your argument.



Everyone generates spin with technique, regardless of how slow or poor that form maybe. If you cannot produce more spin with poly, then well, it says something for your technique to develop racket head speed. I now understand why you feel bitter about tech enhancements; you'd love to make use of them (see the racket you have) but do not have the form to do so, and thus, poly et al should be banned.

And why should standards change? Aren't the standards for equipment in baseball the same in 2012 as they were in 1980? Isn't the size of the standard tennis court the same in 2012 as it was in 1980?

I don't produce spin with poly because I hit flat and I swing pretty fast. And I don't use poly because I don't want my arm to fall off and I want to be able to play tennis for the rest of my life.

[SoBad]

Originally Posted by The Dark Knight

Too much steam for ya? ....bit too wild ? i understand you need somethimg a bit more tame like an 18x20......its always about control for women. .

As an insecure fragile babushka I look for the ultimate control in a frame because I can generate all the power using my technique.

[Sander001]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

If that's true, then yes, it should be banned. But the thing is, I get just as much spin, sometimes even more spin, with 18x20 racquets as I do with 16x19 racquets. Why? Because I generate spin with my technique and not with my racquet or strings. I generate just as much spin with multis as I do with poly strings, which is why I don't use poly. I don't choose racquets because of string pattern because I can hit with as much spin with any pattern.

So if that's your belief, then why are you getting defensive about a technology you know does not work?

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by SoBad

As an insecure fragile babushka I look for the ultimate control in a frame because I can generate all the power using my technique.

Insecure babuska? I think not. I'm definitely a fan.....I'd like to see your technique some time.

[Justin-JP]

Originally Posted by BreakPoint

And why should standards change? Aren't the standards for equipment in baseball the same in 2012 as they were in 1980? Isn't the size of the standard tennis court the same in 2012 as it was in 1980?

I don't produce spin with poly because I hit flat and I swing pretty fast. And I don't use poly because I don't want my arm to fall off and I want to be able to play tennis for the rest of my life.

Why should standards not change? We're not talking dimensions of the court but advancements in equipment technology used to play said sports. Every sport has seen some technological advancement, no matter how small, and will continue to do so as companies push out their latest and greatest 'new' tech. Some are gimmicky and some work (poly), and some push it too far (spaghetti strings).

Anyways, you've killed your own argument by using modern tech and with a spin friendly open pattern to boot. Not only that, the only reason you're not using a poly is that is does not suit your style of play and is hard on your arm. You then begrudge anyone else's game where poly works for them. These are hardly valid reasons.

[The Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Justin-JP

Why should standards not change? We're not talking dimensions of the court but advancements in equipment technology used to play said sports. Every sport has seen some technological advancement, no matter how small, and will continue to do so as companies push out their latest and greatest 'new' tech. Some are gimmicky and some work (poly), and some push it too far (spaghetti strings).

Anyways, you've killed your own argument by using modern tech and with a spin friendly open pattern to boot. Not only that, the only reason you're not using a poly is that is does not suit your style of play and is hard on your arm. You then begrudge anyone else's game where poly works for them. These are hardly valid reasons.

Dude you don't get it......breakpoint is a classic type of player.

Seriously if it were up to him we would all go back to wood and gut strings.

That's what he believes in and there's nothing wrong with that.

To him babolat is a dirty word. He wants the game to go back to when it was pure......he doesn't believe in technology.

Just to be clear , I don't agree with him . I LOVE technology and all te new ideas more than anyone. I play with a vortex!!! But I respect his point of view......no reason to argue.