Wilson will shut down Vortex - Page 5

SoBad · 10-09-2012, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dark Knight

Insecure babuska? I think not. I'm definitely a fan.....I'd like to see your technique some time.

I hit with a lot of topspin and moonball ALOT, beware...

SFrazeur · 10-09-2012, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakPoint

The standard 65 sq. in. wood racquet with the standard 18x20 pattern strung with the standard natural gut strings.

The reason why 85 sq. in. racquet are called MIDsize and 107 sq. in. racquets are called OVERsize is because 65 sq. in. racquets are the STANDARD size.

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Originally Posted by BreakPoint

And why should standards change? Aren't the standards for equipment in baseball the same in 2012 as they were in 1980? Isn't the size of the standard tennis court the same in 2012 as it was in 1980?

I don't produce spin with poly because I hit flat and I swing pretty fast. And I don't use poly because I don't want my arm to fall off and I want to be able to play tennis for the rest of my life.

And this is why you personally use a wood racquet strung with natural gut. . .ooh right, you don't. If you believe so strongly then why are you not? Fight the good fight then.

-SF

The Dark Knight · 10-09-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBad

I hit with a lot of topspin and moonball ALOT, beware...

So what's with the four horses in your avatar? Amd are you seriously from Jamiaca NY?

I used to be around 179th and hillside a while back....long story.

BreakPoint · 10-09-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sander001

So if that's your belief, then why are you getting defensive about a technology you know does not work?

It obviously does work or else Wilson wouldn't be coming out with these racquets. But it shouldn't be allowed to work because players shouldn't be allowed to use it. If players want to generate more spin, they should go work on their technique, not just buy a new racquet.

BreakPoint · 10-09-2012, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin-JP

Why should standards not change? We're not talking dimensions of the court but advancements in equipment technology used to play said sports. Every sport has seen some technological advancement, no matter how small, and will continue to do so as companies push out their latest and greatest 'new' tech. Some are gimmicky and some work (poly), and some push it too far (spaghetti strings).

Anyways, you've killed your own argument by using modern tech and with a spin friendly open pattern to boot. Not only that, the only reason you're not using a poly is that is does not suit your style of play and is hard on your arm. You then begrudge anyone else's game where poly works for them. These are hardly valid reasons.

Was there something wrong with tennis back in 1980? Absolutely not! In fact, tennis was more popular in the U.S. in 1980 and more people played tennis in 1980 during the wood ear than they do now. So obviously people back then had no problem with wood racquets and gut strings and probably liked them more than they like the modern graphite racquets and poly strings of today, which is why more people played tennis back then than they do now.

I did use a wood racquet a few years ago and still was able to beat players who used modern graphite racquets. I stopped because they crack easily and I didn't want to break mine. I would be more than happy to go back to using wood racquets if everyone else would as well to even out the competition. In fact, I'm a huge advocate (along with McEnroe and Navratilova) of going back to wood racquets. Tennis was so much more pure back then. I use the racquet I use now because it's the closest thing to a wood racquet still on the market.

BreakPoint · 10-09-2012, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SFrazeur

And this is why you personally use a wood racquet strung with natural gut. . .ooh right, you don't. If you believe so strongly then why are you not? Fight the good fight then.

-SF

I do use a wood racquet and I still would if everyone else also used wood racquets. It has to be fair. It wouldn't be fair to be the only batter in baseball to use a wooden bat if all the other batters get to use powerful aluminum bats, would it?

As it is, I use the closest thing to a wood racquet still available (PS 6.0 85).

tailofdog · 10-09-2012, 07:34 PM

[quote=The Dark Knight;6942593]You should try the new tour versions....big improvement .

Real players stick way more solid......

But I have a feeling that these Wilson's are going to be amazing so I wouldn't buy any vortex's till those pups come out.

I wish I could preorder ![/QUOTE
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The Vortex are old Wonderwand frames with different string patterns.
If Wilson has seen a market then, the R&D should come up with something serious.
Even Weed tennis is putting out a 16x19 on a 135 sq in frame. Put Prince in the mix and, we see the new direction.

The Dark Knight · 10-09-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakPoint

I do use a wood racquet and I still would if everyone else also used wood racquets. It has to be fair. It wouldn't be fair to be the only batter in baseball to use a wooden bat if all the other batters get to use powerful aluminum bats, would it?

As it is, I use the closest thing to a wood racquet still available (PS 6.0 85).

I understand you Break.....I don't agree with you but I get it.

Your view point is a beautiful thing actually .

Maybe all this new technology is wrong .....

Personally I like it because it makes tennis easier and more fun . I also find today's tennis way more exciting than the old days

But I do get you and I'm not saying your wrong.....how can you be? It's your opinion and it's a beautiful one . So I say bravo to you.

And now I also see why you are such a fan of Sampras and Federer. It all makes sense.....they are both oldschool......but Nadal with his high tech Babolat and Luxilon strings is an affront to everything that you believe in. I get it breakpoint ......I really do. And I respect it.

I on the other hand have different reasons for rooting for Nadal......nothing to so with tech........

It's actually that I hate the establishment. I'm a rebel......

My idols are Mcenroe, Nastase, Connors, Agassi ( early days with punk hair), Safin, Nadal, Seles , Serena......all have that bit of wildness ...... They all sort of rock the establishment .....and thats why I'm a fan.

SoBad · 10-09-2012, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dark Knight

So what's with the four horses in your avatar? Amd are you seriously from Jamiaca NY?

I used to be around 179th and hillside a while back....long story.

i knew it - you are one of those black-pakistani dudes that walk around 179pl with pipes and pitbulls and make strange comments toward wht ppl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V0g1gM2P6o

The Dark Knight · 10-09-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBad

i knew it - you are one of those black-pakistani dudes that walk around 179pl with pipes and pitbulls and make strange comments toward wht ppl...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V0g1gM2P6o

Charashow.....did I say that right?

Did you see....and I'm gonna say this wrong ...

Nochne dozor? night watch .....great Russian vampire movie.

SoBad · 10-09-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dark Knight

Charashow.....did I say that right?

Did you see....and I'm gonna say this wrong ...

Nochne dozor? night watch .....great Russian vampire movie.

I don't know - I am going to watch Baron now until I fall asleep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjQ9kUNe_8

P.S. Or maybe they will break down the door and use fire extinguishers to put out the fire burning inside my heart and soul.

The Dark Knight · 10-09-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SoBad

I don't know - I am going to watch Baron now until I fall asleep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjQ9kUNe_8

P.S. Or maybe they will break down the door and use fire extinguishers to put out the fire burning inside my heart and soul.

LOL.....I was supposed to go to Europe today .....eastern Europe actually .....but lost my freaking passport . So I'm a bit bummed out.

So just took an ambien....should be asleep in an hour.

Ambien works pretty well for fires in the heart and soul as well....lol.

SoBad · 10-09-2012, 09:50 PM

The TTW community is falling asleep. They just sit around, taking pharma pills and drinking drinks, smoking various smokes, until they fall asleep. The lost and stolen passports are deep in the past.

The Dark Knight · 10-09-2012, 10:00 PM

Comparison of the steam 99s and Vortex tour 100. I'm not exactly certain of the specs for either racquet....these are rumored specs .

Steam 99S -

10.7 unstrung ,
99 sq. inch.,
16x15,
22-24-22mm ,

Vortex tour 100

100 square inches
Length: 27 in.
Weight: 11 ounces unstrung
Balance: 12 pts HL unstrung
Pattern: 14m x 17c
Flex: 70#RA
Beam: 21.5mm straight beam

Bartelby · 10-09-2012, 10:08 PM

Tennis is a sport that changes over time so the idea that it should remain fixed in the wood era is absurd, but I'm sure there's wooden framed grass court tournaments that one can enjoy.

BreakPoint · 10-09-2012, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bartelby

Tennis is a sport that changes over time so the idea that it should remain fixed in the wood era is absurd, but I'm sure there's wooden framed grass court tournaments that one can enjoy.

Why? Is it written in stone somewhere?

Aren't the dimensions of the court and the height of the net the same as it's been for the past couple of hundred years? If they could standardize on those things, why couldn't they also standardize on the racquets and strings?

People drive themselves crazy trying the hundreds of different strings and different racquets out there and not knowing if they're using the best combination and always wondering if there's something even better out there. Imagine if there was only one racquet and one string. You can stop obsessing over your choice of racquet and string and just focus on improving your game knowing that neither you nor your opponent has an advantage in equipment. Spending your time practicing your strokes will improve your game much more than spending all your time researching and trying the hundreds of strings and racquets and combinations of them until you tear your hair out.

Bartelby · 10-09-2012, 11:28 PM

There's always a mix of continuity and change with the court obviously a point of continuity, but racquets are not.

The shift to the larger framed, topspin oriented game is a positive development but I'd watch old-style tennis if it were available.

The essential problem is that the game is dominated by horizontal movement from the back of the court and vertical movement forward and back from the net has disappeared.

This is indeed something that might be engineered back into the game, and it partly is with the increased use of the drop shot but the approach and volley is too high risk a shot these days.

And thats a pity.

themitchmann · 10-10-2012, 04:18 AM

If everything is standardized regarding racquets, then we would loss a number if racquet companies (and therefore jobs) in the process.

Offering variety adds to the marketplace.

themitchmann · 10-10-2012, 04:19 AM

But, I do agree with BP that it would be a great thing for people to focus on improving technique over switching to a new stick.

Shaolin · 10-10-2012, 09:55 AM

Hey Breakpoint, in your avatar you have a picture of a guy who is using a more powerful/tech assisted frame from what he used for 20+ years. Just thought you should know.

Ps, he's using a Luxilon hybrid now.

10-09-2012, 09:50 PM	#93
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10-09-2012, 10:00 PM	#94
The Dark Knight Hall Of Fame Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,438	Comparison of the steam 99s and Vortex tour 100. I'm not exactly certain of the specs for either racquet....these are rumored specs . Steam 99S - 10.7 unstrung , 99 sq. inch., 16x15, 22-24-22mm , Vortex tour 100 100 square inches Length: 27 in. Weight: 11 ounces unstrung Balance: 12 pts HL unstrung Pattern: 14m x 17c Flex: 70#RA Beam: 21.5mm straight beam __________________ "Federer has to beat Nadal(if he wants) to be considered the greatest ever, certainly in my book." Pete Sampras

10-09-2012, 10:08 PM	#95
Bartelby Legend Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,635	Tennis is a sport that changes over time so the idea that it should remain fixed in the wood era is absurd, but I'm sure there's wooden framed grass court tournaments that one can enjoy. __________________ Every government has its secret service branch ... A messy job? Well that's when they usually call on me ... Oh yes, my name is Drake, John Drake.

10-09-2012, 11:28 PM	#97
Bartelby Legend Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,635	There's always a mix of continuity and change with the court obviously a point of continuity, but racquets are not. The shift to the larger framed, topspin oriented game is a positive development but I'd watch old-style tennis if it were available. The essential problem is that the game is dominated by horizontal movement from the back of the court and vertical movement forward and back from the net has disappeared. This is indeed something that might be engineered back into the game, and it partly is with the increased use of the drop shot but the approach and volley is too high risk a shot these days. And thats a pity. __________________ Every government has its secret service branch ... A messy job? Well that's when they usually call on me ... Oh yes, my name is Drake, John Drake.

10-10-2012, 04:18 AM	#98
themitchmann Hall Of Fame Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,031	If everything is standardized regarding racquets, then we would loss a number if racquet companies (and therefore jobs) in the process. Offering variety adds to the marketplace. __________________ Prince Rebel 95 PTR Certified Pro / USRSA Certified MRT