I'm Looking Forward to Federer Ending the Year as #1 - Page 2

Prisoner of Birth · 10-09-2012, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ledwix

Anyway, Fed will almost definitely not be #1, since Djokovic is already in the clear as far as 2012 points are concerned. And last year he barely won any matches at this stage. This year he will be motivated to at least match Federer's points from here on.

Yeah, I was just paroding those nonsensical "weak era" theorists who think 2003 and 2005 were different eras, so none of Federer's slams count until Nadal reached his peak. (or even if Nadal is injured, regardless of peak)

Oh yeah, should've known

winstonplum · 10-09-2012, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by roysid

Novak is already ahead by 1500 points (for 2012 only). If Fed can reduce the gap after Paris, then London will be interesting.

Fed is playing Basel but is Novak playing that. I heard not?

You're right; Fed's 1515 points behind Nole. Assuming Fed and Nole meet in the finals of Shanghai and Bercy and Fed takes both, the lead will have been cut to 715. If Nole gets tripped up early and Fed wins both tournies, then Nole's lead is cut by more points. The key is that Fed has to win both.

I'm not quite sure how it will play out from there. If Fed wins Basel, he obviously gets 500 towards the race, but what about Nole? Is he playing Basel?

Evan77 · 10-09-2012, 10:43 PM

watch this movie, it's called 'Fargo' pretty good. tennis is not for everyone.

6-1 6-3 6-0 · 10-09-2012, 10:59 PM

Federer already lost indoors to Isner this year (Davis Cup), so he's not as 'invincible' as he was in 2011. He'll pick up his yearly loss in Shanghai and Bercy, then make a decent showing at the World Tour Finals and probably win Basel. #2 for Federer.

Evan77 · 10-09-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 6-1 6-3 6-0

Federer already lost indoors to Isner this year (Davis Cup), so he's not as 'invincible' as he was in 2011. He'll pick up his yearly loss in Shanghai and Bercy, then make a decent showing at the World Tour Finals and probably win Basel. #2 for Federer.

yes, watching Berdych vs. Seppi clown. not too bad. Berdman looks good. should be ranked higher than Shmadall,

Zarfot Z · 10-10-2012, 02:16 AM

He'll finish #2, but 300 weeks at this point is all I care about.

Hitman · 10-10-2012, 05:56 AM

Djokovic will finish number one.

Federer has had incredible back to back indoor seasons, not to say he can't have another stellar season again, but he has played an awful lot of matches this year, and has gone deep and won many many events. Plus, he is playing many tournaments in a row without a break, which will also take its toll.

And he's getting older....

I will be happy if he can get the 300 week mark. But this really is Novak's season.

MichaelNadal · 10-10-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Djokovic will finish number one.

Federer has had incredible back to back indoor seasons, not to say he can't have another stellar season again, but he has played an awful lot of matches this year, and has gone deep and won many many events. Plus, he is playing many tournaments in a row without a break, which will also take its toll.

And he's getting older....

I will be happy if he can get the 300 week mark. But this really is Novak's season.

Hey man, how ya been?

forzamilan90 · 10-10-2012, 12:11 PM

Clarky mode on: Federer has no chance to win Shanghai!

Clarky21 · 10-10-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Djokovic will finish number one.

Federer has had incredible back to back indoor seasons, not to say he can't have another stellar season again, but he has played an awful lot of matches this year, and has gone deep and won many many events. Plus, he is playing many tournaments in a row without a break, which will also take its toll.

And he's getting older....

I will be happy if he can get the 300 week mark. But this really is Novak's season.

Just how is this Cvac's season? He has done no better than Fed has,and has had a lousy year when you compare it to his year in 2011. I think Fed deserves the #1 ranking over Cvac. Not sure why you think otherwise(other than you're a flaming Cvactard).

Prisoner of Birth · 10-10-2012, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

Just how is this Cvac's season? He has done no better than Fed has,and has had a lousy year when you compare it to his year in 2011. I think Fed deserves the #1 ranking over Cvac. Not sure why you think otherwise(other than you're a flaming Cvactard).

Djokovic has had a better year than Federer, which is why he's leading Federer in the race. Unless Federer wins the WTF, Djokovic will certainly be the more deserving player. If Federer wins the WTF, it becomes a debate with Federer having the better argument.

Prisoner of Birth · 10-10-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

He may have made more finals,but he didn't win any of them. His season this year reminds me a lot of Nadal's season last year. His season was seen as a failure because he didn't win hardly any of the finals he made. I know that this place is full of double standards(especially when it comes to Nadal),but if Nadal's season was seen as a flop last year then Cvac's season this year has been a flop as well.

And even though Cvac won Toronto,he really didn't deserve to. That tournament was challenger level this year. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it. He has also not beaten anyone in the top 4 since June. If that were Nadal there would be a hundred threads started on here about it.

If he's won tournaments without having to beat the rest of the top 4, more power to him. Not his fault. By any standards, Nadal had a great year last year. Probably his fourth best.

Hitman · 10-10-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MichaelNadal

Hey man, how ya been?

I've been good, my friend.

Last few weeks I have been absent, because I was training for the Mr Olympia Expo Muscle Model event in Las Vegas. It was such an incredible experience for me. It was also the first time I compete in an event where they don't drug test you, all my shows previous were natural events. So I went up against some pretty intense guys.

With the heavy dieting, the two trips to the gym everyday and all the prep work, plus still doing my job, didn't leave much time for anything else. It was either I give it my full focus, so I get to step on stage or don't do it. And hey, guess who was one of the judges? David Otunga! Yep, the WWE wrestler. I got a bit of a shock when I walked onto stage and saw him sitting along with the other judges.

Saw the whole Olympia event, spoke to some of the top guys of the past and present. Guys like Kai Greene, Jay Cutler, and even Lou Ferringo. Great experience! Went to LA to visit my extended family who drove out to the desert to support me. Then I packed my bags and travelled for four days in Kiev in Ukraine, before getting back to London. A little tired right now, but trying to get back into the tennis again!

And how have you been? Did you see Raw, and what happened with CM Punk and the fans at the end of the show?

Hitman · 10-10-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

Just how is this Cvac's season? He has done no better than Fed has,and has had a lousy year when you compare it to his year in 2011. I think Fed deserves the #1 ranking over Cvac. Not sure why you think otherwise(other than you're a flaming Cvactard).

He has done no better? Really? Who is leading the race at this point in time? The numbers don't lie. Novak has been the most consistent. Yes, Roger has had a great year, but Novak is the only player to make three slam finals, plus a semi. You say Rafa made all those finals last year, and people say it is a failure...well really it isn't, it is just that Novak made all those same finals as well, and was overall better in the slams than Nadal. And in 2012, Novak has overall been better again.

If Fed wants it, he is going to have to have to sweep the indoor season. Then, I will be the first to congratulate him and say he deserves it. But, at the moment, Novak for me has overall been more consistent.

And yeah, I like Novak. So what? Is that a crime?

tudwell · 10-11-2012, 09:39 AM

If my calculations are correct (and I just added points to their current race totals, so I don't know if that takes into account zero-pointers and stuff), Federer could win Shanghai, Basel, Paris, and the WTF and still finish number two to Djokovic.

NadalAgassi · 10-11-2012, 09:43 AM

Regardless of the year end ranking it is hard to say who was the best this year:

Djokovic- best performance in slams with 3 finals.

Federer- most tournament wins. 1 more Masters title than Djokovic or Nadal.

Murray- Won a slam and biggest event so far outside the slams- the Olympics, plus a 2nd slam final unlike Federer or Nadal.

Obviously Nadal is not a factor at this point, but any of the other 3 could be argued for. Whoever wins the WTF probably has had the best year, regardless of the rankings.

It feels more like Federer or Murray's year than Djokovic's though as Federer had his old age breakthrough in a big way, and Murray his general breakthrough. Djokovic is by far the least happy of the three right now I imagine. Even Nadal is probably much more personally satisfied, breaking the Roland Garros record, and winning 3 of his 4 encounters with Djokovic (and nearly the 4th) before injury ended his year prematurely. Of the four Djokovic is the only one who has really achieved nothing special this year, even if he ends at #1.

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Originally Posted by Hitman

He has done no better? Really? Who is leading the race at this point in time? The numbers don't lie.

By your logic the numbers didnt lie when Wozniacki was #1 last year over Kvitova, and it was really Wozniacki's year in 2011 with her array of puny titles and not Petra with her higher # of titles, Wimbledon title, WTA Championship title, Fed Cup title, titles on all surfaces. The numbers dont lie though, I am sure one would rather want Wozniacki's 2011 year than Kvitova. This isnt as clear a case as that, but already any "numbers don't ever lie" claim is dismissed.

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Originally Posted by Clarky21

Just how is this Cvac's season? He has done no better than Fed has,and has had a lousy year when you compare it to his year in 2011. I think Fed deserves the #1 ranking over Cvac. Not sure why you think otherwise(other than you're a flaming Cvactard).

LOL blunt but true, especialy the late sentence regarding Hitman.

tudwell · 10-11-2012, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Regardless of the year end ranking it is hard to say who was the best this year:

Djokovic- best performance in slams with 3 finals.

Federer- most tournament wins. 1 more Masters title than Djokovic or Nadal.

Murray- Won a slam and biggest event so far outside the slams- the Olympics, plus a 2nd slam final unlike Federer or Nadal.

Murray has another slam final and the Olympics, but he also doesn't have a single Masters title, which is a bit of a blight on his record. He has two chances to rectify that, though, and could also take the WTF.

If Federer wins another Masters title, he'll match his personal best of four in a year. He also has a great shot at the WTF.

Still pretty open, though. Djokovic will very likely end the year with the no. 1 ranking, but Federer and Murray have some opportunities coming up to claim the Best Player of the Year title.

If Djokovic wins another Masters and/or the WTF, then he's by far the player of the year, given his success at the slams.

Prisoner of Birth · 10-11-2012, 12:29 PM

Federer has the Olympic Silver. Runners-up doesn't count for much in other Tennis tournaments but it does mean something at the Olympics.

Clarky21 · 10-11-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

Regardless of the year end ranking it is hard to say who was the best this year:

Djokovic- best performance in slams with 3 finals.

Federer- most tournament wins. 1 more Masters title than Djokovic or Nadal.

Murray- Won a slam and biggest event so far outside the slams- the Olympics, plus a 2nd slam final unlike Federer or Nadal.

Obviously Nadal is not a factor at this point, but any of the other 3 could be argued for. Whoever wins the WTF probably has had the best year, regardless of the rankings.

It feels more like Federer or Murray's year than Djokovic's though as Federer had his old age breakthrough in a big way, and Murray his general breakthrough. Djokovic is by far the least happy of the three right now I imagine. Even Nadal is probably much more personally satisfied, breaking the Roland Garros record, and winning 3 of his 4 encounters with Djokovic (and nearly the 4th) before injury ended his year prematurely. Of the four Djokovic is the only one who has really achieved nothing special this year, even if he ends at #1.

By your logic the numbers didnt lie when Wozniacki was #1 last year over Kvitova, and it was really Wozniacki's year in 2011 with her array of puny titles and not Petra with her higher # of titles, Wimbledon title, WTA Championship title, Fed Cup title, titles on all surfaces. The numbers dont lie though, I am sure one would rather want Wozniacki's 2011 year than Kvitova. This isnt as clear a case as that, but already any "numbers don't ever lie" claim is dismissed.

LOL blunt but true, especialy the late sentence regarding Hitman.

Yep. And I posted some other reasons why he hasn't had a better year than Fed that was deleted,and one of them was he has not beaten anyone in the top 4 since June. He has won the 2012 Toronto Challenger,and Beijing without beating any of the top players to do it. Can you imagine if Nadal was the one racking up titles without having to beat any of the top players? This place would explode with trolling and **** fury.

RogerFan1991 · 10-11-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tudwell

If my calculations are correct (and I just added points to their current race totals, so I don't know if that takes into account zero-pointers and stuff), Federer could win Shanghai, Basel, Paris, and the WTF and still finish number two to Djokovic.

No, your calculations are wrong, if federer wins shanghai, basel, paris and wtf, even if djokovic reaches all those finals, federer will be year-end number one.

Federer in case of winning all four tournies: 12985 pts
Djokovic reaching all finals: 12610 pts

10-10-2012, 05:56 AM	#27
Hitman Legend Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 5,787	Djokovic will finish number one. Federer has had incredible back to back indoor seasons, not to say he can't have another stellar season again, but he has played an awful lot of matches this year, and has gone deep and won many many events. Plus, he is playing many tournaments in a row without a break, which will also take its toll. And he's getting older.... I will be happy if he can get the 300 week mark. But this really is Novak's season. __________________ The difference between opinion and fact. OPINION - Federer played in a weak era. FACT - Federer has 17 slams. Opinion is NOT a FACT.

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