Better backhand currently: Federer or Nadal?

[smoledman]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

If Federer had the better forehand and better backhand than the Federer forehand vs Nadal backhand rallies would be even worse for Nadal than the Nadal forehand vs Federer backhand rallies which is far from the case. In fact in most of their matches Nadal's backhand more than holds it own vs Federer's forehand in those exchanges, while the Nadal forehand dominates the Federer backhand. Yet despite this Federer amazingly has the superior forehand, superior backhand, superior movement (according to most ****s, just look at the better mover polls between them), and superior all else from the baseline, even while getting owned from the baseline in 85% of their matches, including a number of his wins. Planet **** is truly a great comedy land.

Here in "****" land we're celebrating the World #1 with a RECORD 17 slams.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

If Federer had the better forehand and better backhand than the Federer forehand vs Nadal backhand rallies would be even worse for Nadal than the Nadal forehand vs Federer backhand rallies which is far from the case. In fact in most of their matches Nadal's backhand more than holds it own vs Federer's forehand in those exchanges, while the Nadal forehand dominates the Federer backhand. Yet despite this Federer amazingly has the superior forehand, superior backhand, superior movement (according to most ****s, just look at the better mover polls between them), and superior all else from the baseline, even while getting owned from the baseline in 85% of their matches, including a number of his wins. Planet **** is truly a great comedy land.

Nadal doesn't have a one handed backhand you genius. Nadal's forehand in particular works well against Federer's BH in particular.

Besides, there WAS a time when Nadal has a better backhand. This is not now.

Originally Posted by smoledman

Here in "****" land we're celebrating the World #1 with a RECORD 17 slams.

So you are a glory hunter, good for you. By the same logic a Laver fan could say they are celebrating his 2 Calendar Slams while Federer wasnt talented or good enough to even manage 1, and while it is proven he is still in all GOAT debates 40 years after retiring, something which is a long way from remaining to be seen for Federer. A Graf fan could say they are celebrating a player with 22 slams and as many or more slams as Federer at every venue (6 times as many at Roland Garros, lol). A Serena fan could say they are celebrating her continued dominance of the womens game and growing greater by the day GOAT talk, and that unlike Federer she dominates the game amongst her gender and all her main rivals to the extreme at age 30. A Kournikova fan could be celebrating that despite being a tennis mug she is richer than pretty much all these other greats we are discussing. A Nadal fan could say they are celebrating his ascent to undisputed clay court GOAT, and probably on clay being the all time GOAT of any player on any surface, becoming the only man in history to win multiple slams on all 3 major surfaces, the only man in history to win a slam on each of the 3 major surfaces in the same year, and his total ownage of the so called GOAT Federer. A Court fan could be celebrating that despite how Americans try to lowball her greatness she has 24 singles slams and 62 total slams, records that perhaps nobody, man or women, in history will ever reach (especialy the latter). And so on...

[Prisoner of Birth]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

So you are a glory hunter, good for you. By the same logic a Laver fan could say they are celebrating his 2 Calendar Slams while Federer wasnt talented or good enough to even manage 1, and while it is proven he is still in all GOAT debates 40 years after retiring, something which is a long way from remaining to be seen for Federer. A Graf fan could say they are celebrating a player with 22 slams and as many or more slams as Federer at every venue (6 times as many at Roland Garros, lol). A Serena fan could say they are celebrating her continued dominance of the womens game and growing greater by the day GOAT talk, and that unlike Federer she dominates the game amongst her gender and all her main rivals to the extreme at age 30. A Kournikova fan could be celebrating that despite being a tennis mug she is richer than pretty much all these other greats we are discussing. A Nadal fan could say they are celebrating his ascent to undisputed clay court GOAT, and probably on clay being the all time GOAT of any player on any surface, becoming the only man in history to win multiple slams on all 3 major surfaces, the only man in history to win a slam on each of the 3 major surfaces in the same year, and his total ownage of the so called GOAT Federer. A Court fan could be celebrating that despite how Americans try to lowball her greatness she has 24 singles slams and 62 total slams, records that perhaps nobody, man or women, in history will ever reach (especialy the latter). And so on...

1 of Laver's Grand Slams was against amateurs. He has just 5 Grand Slams against the real professionals. Federer has 17

Serena, Graf are from WTA, not ATP. I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up. Because no one in the ATP have come close to Federer's accomplishments and you have no choice but to go to the WTA for comparison? I can sympathize with that.

[dangalak]

Except that Federer is pretty obviously superior to just about any other tennis player in the game.

[OverratedIvanovic]

On clay, plexi, IW, Miami courts, Rafa's BH is better. On others, Federer's BH is better. However w.r.t shotmaking skills alone, Federer's BH is superior by a countrymile except maybe passing shots.

[dangalak]

Originally Posted by OverratedIvanovic

On clay, plexi, IW, Miami courts, Rafa's BH is better. On others, Federer's BH is better. However w.r.t shotmaking skills alone, Federer's BH is superior by a countrymile except maybe passing shots.

Nadal's passing shots on his BH side aren't that great. More of a FH guy.

I don't agree with Federer's BH being worse on slow harcourt, he can take it early and the surface doesn't take that much spin.

Nadal can't hit DTL with any authority, which is why I cannot accept it being a better shot than Federer's BH atm.

[OverratedIvanovic]

Originally Posted by dangalak

Nadal's passing shots on his BH side aren't that great. More of a FH guy.

Really ?So who has better BH passing shots if not Nadal? Djokovic is the only one who comes close and is mostly good at cross court passing shots. Nadal can hit insane passing shots both DTL and cross court. Watch his AO 2012 semis match with Federer again.

Originally Posted by dangalak

I don't agree with Federer's BH being worse on slow hardcourt, he can take it early and the surface doesn't take that much spin.

Well its debatable. Against rest of the field not including Djokovic and Nadal, I can agree. But Federer's BH is exposed against these 2 guys on a slow HC since he can't hit through the court (example AO 2011 straight set loss against Djokovic).

I disagree that these surfaces don't take that much spin. I mean obviously Plexi and Miami courts are one of the slowest and highest bouncing courts, not sure what makes you say they dont take much spin?

Originally Posted by dangalak

Nadal can't hit DTL with any authority, which is why I cannot accept it being a better shot than Federer's BH atm.

Yea I do agree he has problems with his DTL BH but its noticeably better than 2011. Overall his BH is a more solid and consistent shot on slow HC than Federer, doesn't tend to break down that often (except maybe some of his matches vs Djokovic in 2011) but as I said above in terms of shotmaking, Federer's BH is unmatched.

[MTF07]

Originally Posted by NadalAgassi

So you are a glory hunter, good for you. By the same logic a Laver fan could say they are celebrating his 2 Calendar Slams while Federer wasnt talented or good enough to even manage 1, and while it is proven he is still in all GOAT debates 40 years after retiring, something which is a long way from remaining to be seen for Federer. A Graf fan could say they are celebrating a player with 22 slams and as many or more slams as Federer at every venue (6 times as many at Roland Garros, lol). A Serena fan could say they are celebrating her continued dominance of the womens game and growing greater by the day GOAT talk, and that unlike Federer she dominates the game amongst her gender and all her main rivals to the extreme at age 30. A Kournikova fan could be celebrating that despite being a tennis mug she is richer than pretty much all these other greats we are discussing. A Nadal fan could say they are celebrating his ascent to undisputed clay court GOAT, and probably on clay being the all time GOAT of any player on any surface, becoming the only man in history to win multiple slams on all 3 major surfaces, the only man in history to win a slam on each of the 3 major surfaces in the same year, and his total ownage of the so called GOAT Federer. A Court fan could be celebrating that despite how Americans try to lowball her greatness she has 24 singles slams and 62 total slams, records that perhaps nobody, man or women, in history will ever reach (especialy the latter). And so on...

And a Federer fan might point out that Federer would go 100-0 with a grand slam every single year on the WTA tour.