Murray is such a disgrace...

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Originally Posted by tennisaddict

Plain and Simple - Murray likes to win matches, hook or crook, by wincing, whining , abusing , faking and cheating.

All true. But don't forget the weather. He often arranges for a windstorm to be blowing just so his opponents won't be able to serve or hit their shots properly. There is nothing he won't stoop to in order to win....the dirty little cheat!

Originally Posted by tennisaddict

And yet appears like a big sport saying 'I can cry like Federer, but cant play like him' . 'Nadal is the greatest player in history'.

It's all lies and fake humility. His tears aren't even genuine. He borrows that stuff actors use when they need to look like they're crying. He does it just to gain sympathy and steal attention from his opponent.

Originally Posted by tennisaddict

No self pride, idiot of the first order.

Mind you, I wish I could be an idiot like him. I'd retire straight away with all that lovely dosh and buy me a vast estate in the highlands of Scotland with its own indoor tennis court and hire locals to play against me so I could shout and swear at them if they dared to get the odd ball past me. Self-respect my ar*e! It's just the ideal way to live!!

[cork_screw]

Everyone's talking about how andy hates losing - and that's one thing, but I think what the author of the thread meant to point out is how he does annoying things that other guys in the top 5 don't do when they're losing. Yesterday against stepanek, andy was throwing his racquet into the wall with all the sponsored ads, he also launched a ball into the crowd and got a violation for that. He's a very ****y person in general and maybe that's a societal thing with him being a scotsman (i'm not even joking, they are some very ****y group of people), but I think he what he's become and I don't think he'll change it. I just don't think he cares really what people think of him. And I don't think Nad, Djok, or Fed feel that same level of indifference to the public perception that he does, and that's ok. To me, he's a bit of the black sheep in the crowd, never smiles for the cameras and isn't really adopted as a very likable person. And I actually respect that way more, rather see someone genuine than fake, ahem someone like Romney.

[batz]

Originally Posted by cork_screw

Everyone's talking about how andy hates losing - and that's one thing, but I think what the author of the thread meant to point out is how he does annoying things that other guys in the top 5 don't do when they're losing. Yesterday against stepanek, andy was throwing his racquet into the wall with all the sponsored ads, he also launched a ball into the crowd and got a violation for that. He's a very ****y person in general and maybe that's a societal thing with him being a scotsman (i'm not even joking, they are some very ****y group of people), but I think he what he's become and I don't think he'll change it. I just don't think he cares really what people think of him. And I don't think Nad, Djok, or Fed feel that same level of indifference to the public perception.

Leaving aside your casual racism, are you really, really saying that no other member of the top 5 have had code violations for racket and or ball abuse?

I really do wish people would stop pulling stuff out of their arses and presenting it as if it was fact.

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by batz

Leaving aside your casual racism, are you really, really saying that no other member of the top 5 have had code violations for racket and or ball abuse?

I really do wish people would stop pulling stuff out of their arses and presenting it as if it was fact.

No one (well, not everyone) is suggesting that Andy is a nonstop arse while the rest of the big four show nothing but class. This thread is about Murray, however, so it is perfectly acceptable to discuss his behavior in isolation. No need to resort to "but so and so also does it!"

My issue with Andy is the constant grabbing at his leg (or something else) and muttering every time he loses a point. Do you really need me to provide video evidence of the frequency of these types of events? I hardly think there is a lost point that goes by without this type of behavior. Do you dispute this?

I find it to be very disrespectful towards his lesser opponents. When he is playing more accomplished and generally superior players, I find it to be hilarious. Clearly the few players who have dominated tennis for years don't need any help from Andy in order to win a point against him.

[ctoth666]

Well unless you're a Murray-apologist or a Murray-****, it's impossible to deny that he conducted himself poorly, but this is nothing new. Imagine if you saw him play for the first time against Stepanek, not knowing anything about tennis. You might be thinking "WTF is wrong this guy. He's mental. Grow up" or something like that. He's not the only top player with annoying antics on the court, but he's the most intolerable of them all. Fact. I'll take Nadal's ***-picking any day over Murray's BS. Being completely objective, nothing Federer does really annoys me at all. Hence I get behind him more than any of the other top guys. On that note, I hope Federer mercilessly beats Murray in the semi's.

[vive le beau jeu !]

Originally Posted by batz

i have to admit i prefer the good old times...

Originally Posted by vive le beau jeu !

... to the infinity and beyond !!!

[Rozroz]

Murray's hair with that trophy cannot look more ridiculous LOL

[jaggy]

Im a Scotsman and Im a ****y person, just saying.

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Originally Posted by cork_screw

Everyone's talking about how andy hates losing - and that's one thing, but I think what the author of the thread meant to point out is how he does annoying things that other guys in the top 5 don't do when they're losing.

But why are they necessarily more annoying than what the other 5 get up to when they are losing? Does he take extended MTOS like Nadal is notorious for doing or like Djokovic did in the last game of the USO final when Murray was about to serve out for the match? As for breaking racquets, Djokovic must still hold the record for that one. And as for damaging sponsors property, did Murray kick a seat with the sponsor's logo to pieces as Djokovic did in the final of the FO?

My point is not that Murray doesn't do irritating things when he feels under pressure. He beats himself up too much and shows too much negative body movement and, yes, his language can be a little choice, I agree. Not defending him for those things as some people on here like to think, I'm just pointing out they are part of his personality quirks and he has them just like every other top player has them and not everything he does or doesn't do is necessarily unique to him as some of you on here seem to be proposing. I just don't see that what he does is supposedly so much 'worse' than the foibles other players exhibit when they're under pressure and don't try and tell me they don't have them. This idea that Federer, Djokovic and Nadal are supposedly 'whiter than white' in their on-court behaviour and Murray is supposedly uniquely badly behaved is just not true and is unfair and biased. In my opinion, it's yet another example of how he seems to get treated differently on here to other players and judged by different standards.

Originally Posted by cork_screw

He's a very ****y person in general and maybe that's a societal thing with him being a scotsman (i'm not even joking, they are some very ****y group of people)

Lol, I can't wait to see Fedex and Batz get back you on that one!

Originally Posted by cork_screw

but I think he what he's become and I don't think he'll change it. I just don't think he cares really what people think of him. And I don't think Nad, Djok, or Fed feel that same level of indifference to the public perception that he does, and that's ok. To me, he's a bit of the black sheep in the crowd, never smiles for the cameras and isn't really adopted as a very likable person. And I actually respect that way more, rather see someone genuine than fake, ahem someone like Romney.

You make him seem as if he is a lot tougher than the others. Actually, he is surprisingly emotional. Joking apart, his tears are quite genuine and heartfelt. He really thought he had let British tennis fans down when he lost the Wimbledon final this year and kept apologising to them. Hardly the behaviour of a guy who couldn't give a stuff what the public think. But he's had to put up with so much criticism over the years from the press and so on and, as you can see, certain people on here, that he has tried to develop a thick skin about it and carry on regardless. In all honesty, considering the constant stick he is subjected to, it's a minor miracle he's managed to achieve even a quarter of the things he's managed to do!

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Originally Posted by vive le beau jeu !

i have to admit i prefer the good old times...

Lol..that was pretty funny. I'll bet that one will become a collector's item shortly!

[Danny_G13]

Originally Posted by db379

Well.... I guess some people need to be spoon fed. Of course all champions hate to lose! That's not the point. The point is how one responds to losing. True champions are also gentlemen. They behave with dignity whether win or lose. Makes it clearer?

Like Murray you mean? When he lost 4 slams, he did so like a true gentleman. When he won his first, he was utterly humble through the entire procedure.

He gets angry at himself when he loses a point - and yes, he's vocal about it. As much as we would prefer if all sportsmen kept their emotions completely inside, that isn't possible.

McEnroe was called 'The Brat' - and he had similar criticism to those you're giving Murray.

But come the end of the match, Murray is a complete gent whether he wins or loses - I don't see why we should berate his inability to keep his game emotions in check.

[batz]

Originally Posted by NadalDramaQueen

No one (well, not everyone) is suggesting that Andy is a nonstop arse while the rest of the big four show nothing but class. This thread is about Murray, however, so it is perfectly acceptable to discuss his behavior in isolation. No need to resort to "but so and so also does it!"

My issue with Andy is the constant grabbing at his leg (or something else) and muttering every time he loses a point. Do you really need me to provide video evidence of the frequency of these types of events? I hardly think there is a lost point that goes by without this type of behavior. Do you dispute this?

I find it to be very disrespectful towards his lesser opponents. When he is playing more accomplished and generally superior players, I find it to be hilarious. Clearly the few players who have dominated tennis for years don't need any help from Andy in order to win a point against him.

There is if someone makes the explicit assertion that he indulges in behaviour that others do not.

[NadalDramaQueen]

Originally Posted by batz

There is if someone makes the explicit assertion that he indulges in behaviour that others do not.

Of course, but such an assertion is not necessary in showing whether or not Murray is a disgrace. Would it really make you feel better to know that Murray is a disgrace, but not as much of a disgrace as some other player?

What about the rest of my post? Do you acknowledge that he engages in the behavior I described and do you think it shows a lack of class?

[TTMR]

Murray is the new Nadal as far as this forum is concerned, I see. It will be a shame if/when he drifts off the hate radar upon Nadal's return.

[Rozroz]

Originally Posted by TTMR

Murray is the new Nadal as far as this forum is concerned, I see. It will be a shame if/when he drifts off the hate radar upon Nadal's return.

don't think so.
Murray is much more simply and openly annoying.
the two hate radars should be equally maintained

[rainingaces]

Murray thinks about how he can **** the guy off he is playing if thats screaming, yelling come on after a opponents error, hitting the ball at the opponent, junkballing, eyeballing, he should consentrate on his own game.

[db379]

Originally Posted by tennisaddict

Murray is a great player, I am with you.

All what me and few others are saying is 'He is a bad sport and a terrible loser'.

exactly, and a brat and a terrible example of sportmanship for kids. I guess all the Murray fans prefer to ignore these minor points.... In fact I would certainly like Murray if he wasn't such a whiny brat on court because the guy has talent.

[rainingaces]

Originally Posted by TTMR

Murray is the new Nadal as far as this forum is concerned, I see. It will be a shame if/when he drifts off the hate radar upon Nadal's return.

Us real fans that love the game need to start a new murray bashing threads at least once a week to remind the masses of what murray really is and the people he represents, people like mainad and batz. Murray might give a emotive speech but he still has a icy heart underneath. I have never seen anyone so aggressive, angery or ignorant on a tennis court, even hearing his name can strike fear into any ballboy or girl in the world. People compare him to mac but he did all his antics in good humor and never once did i hear him yell COME ON after a opponents unfortunate unforced error.

[Rozroz]

Originally Posted by db379

I would certainly like Murray if he wasn't such a whiny brat on court because the guy has talent.

i tried to like him, honest, but he failed miserably again and again till i finally gave up. there was 1 or 2 matches with Lendl in da house that he showed a bit more self control and maturity, but it's now long degraded back to square 1.

[TTMR]

Originally Posted by rainingaces

Us real fans that love the game need to start a new murray bashing threads at least once a week to remind the masses of what murray really is and the people he represents, people like mainad and batz. Murray might give a emotive speech but he still has a icy heart underneath. I have never seen anyone so aggressive, angery or ignorant on a tennis court, even hearing his name can strike fear into any ballboy or girl in the world. People compare him to mac but he did all his antics in good humor and never once did i hear him yell COME ON after a opponents unfortunate unforced error.

St. Mac was a tennis artist whose deft touch and sublime hands were unequaled. His play harkens back to the halcyon days of tennis when pushing was tantamount to capitulation and dedication to fitness the modus operandi of the untalented who had no other recourse.

Criticisms of Mac's outbursts are from armchair sloths who simply don't understand genius even when it is in plain sight, right in front of them. Anyone who has spent time with the extremely gifted knows they are volatile by nature. They see and perceive things simpleton spectators and officials cannot, so it is hardly baffling when they become flustered at our mundane ignorance. To compare a legend like McEnroe to a colicky one-slam hack like Murray is akin to comparing Michelangelo to Student Pro Painters.