On hardcourts who gives federer the worst "match-up problem", Djok, Rafa or Murray?

RAFA2005RG · 10-13-2012, 06:20 AM

Out of those 3, who gives federer the worst "match-up problem" on hardcourts?

dangalak · 10-13-2012, 06:27 AM

Not Djokovic.

EDIT: Lol at the ""

17 > 11

tennis_pro · 10-13-2012, 06:35 AM

Nadal, still.

Murray can only beat Federer in a Masters.
Djokovic has to dig deep to beat Federer everywhere (last 2 Us Opens), got bageled the last time they played on a hard court.

Gonzo_style · 10-13-2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro

Nadal, still.

Murray can only beat Federer in a Masters.
Djokovic has to dig deep to beat Federer everywhere (last 2 Us Opens), got bageled the last time they played on a hard court.

Not true! Murray and Djokovic have a 9 wins on HC against Federer, Nadal have a 5!

tennis_pro · 10-13-2012, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Not true! Murray and Djokovic have a 9 wins on HC against Federer, Nadal have a 5!

How many times did they play on hard courts?

Federer-Nadal - 11 times
Federer-Murray - 16 times
Federer-Djokovic - gazillion times

Federer-Nadal are pretty much dead even on hard courts in h2h but Nadal leads 2-0 in majors (both at the AO)
Federer-Murray are also pretty much dead even (9-7 to Murray) but Federer has won the only meetings in majors (in straight sets both times)
Federer-Djokovic - Djokovic has the most wins against Federer in HC majors but Federer has still a healthy lead in the h2h (12-9). Also Djokovic is the only other member of the top 4 who Federer leads in the hardcourt outdoor h2h.

Gonzo_style · 10-13-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro

How many times did they played on hard courts?

Federer-Nadal - 11 times
Federer-Murray - 16 times
Federer-Djokovic - gazillion times

Federer-Nadal are pretty much dead even on hard courts in h2h but Nadal leads 2-0 in majors (both at the AO)
Federer-Murray are also pretty much dead even (9-7 to Murray) but Federer has won the only meetings in majors (in straight sets both times)
Federer-Djokovic - Djokovic has the most wins against Federer in HC majors but Federer has still a healthy lead in the h2h (12-9). Also Djokovic is the only other member of the top 4 who Federer leads in the hardcourt outdoor h2h.

I disagree, but it's okay!

90's Clay · 10-13-2012, 07:27 AM

Nadal had always been the guy to truly trouble Fed. Djoker proved though he could really put the hurting on Fed in Australia and other slow courts.. While Faster hard courts, its more even.

I would like to see a few Nadal-Fed matches at the USO to see how that goes there.. But my suspicion has always been Nadal would take Fed out there more times then not

Murray.. Not even part of the equation.. He can't do anything to Fed at slams.

tennis_pro · 10-13-2012, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Nadal had always been the guy to truly trouble Fed. Djoker proved though he could really put the hurting on Fed in Australia and other slow courts.. While Faster hard courts, its more even.

I would like to see a few Nadal-Fed matches at the USO to see how that goes there.. But my suspicion has always been Nadal would take Fed out there more times then not

Murray.. Not even part of the equation.. He can't do anything to Fed at slams.

You mean 2013 and beyond when Federer is 32 years old?
Can't change history but I would love to see Nadal play Federer at one of the US Opens in 2004-2007,

TMF · 10-13-2012, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Out of those 3, who gives federer the worst "match-up problem" on hardcourts?

Nadal has a negative h2h against Federer.

kishnabe · 10-13-2012, 08:13 AM

I would say Murray.

Djokovic it is even.

Nadal.....Federer has the advantage though allows Nadal to play his game.

90's Clay · 10-13-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tennis_pro

You mean 2013 and beyond when Federer is 32 years old?
Can't change history but I would love to see Nadal play Federer at one of the US Opens in 2004-2007,

Prime for prime of course. Post 2007 Nadal and Pre-2009 or 2010 Federer. 2004-2007 is Fed's main peak years, yet Nadal still had yet to come into his own.. He was failing to even make hard court SF appearances on hard court slams at the time.

floridatennisdude · 10-13-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RAFA2005RG

Out of those 3, who gives federer the worst "match-up problem" on hardcourts?

In Feds prime...only Nadal

Currently...all of the above

Gonzo_style · 10-13-2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by floridatennisdude

In Feds prime...only Nadal

Currently...all of the above

Murray beats Federer at Cincinnati 2006 2:0

floridatennisdude · 10-13-2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Murray beats Federer at Cincinnati 2006 2:0

There is always an outlier. Look at the body of work from 04-08 and then post 09 and beyond.

President · 10-13-2012, 09:22 AM

Out of the top 3, definitely Nadal or Murray. But I think Berdych is the worst hard court matchup on tour for Federer, maybe even including Nadal. Even though Nadal and Murray are superior players to him, Berdych just poses so many problems to Fed and the match is definitely on his racquet when they play.

TMF · 10-13-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 90's Clay

Prime for prime of course. Post 2007 Nadal and Pre-2009 or 2010 Federer. 2004-2007 is Fed's main peak years, yet Nadal still had yet to come into his own.. He was failing to even make hard court SF appearances on hard court slams at the time.

Nadal won a slam and 11 titles in 2005. He's an early bloomer just like Borg. He was an undisputed #2 in the world !

But even if you say Nadal was a baby back then, Federer today at 31 is #1 and have beaten prime players Nadal, Nole and Murray.

dangalak · 10-13-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

Murray beats Federer at Cincinnati 2006 2:0

Gasquet beat him in his prime as well. What's your point?

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Originally Posted by President

Out of the top 3, definitely Nadal or Murray. But I think Berdych is the worst hard court matchup on tour for Federer, maybe even including Nadal. Even though Nadal and Murray are superior players to him, Berdych just poses so many problems to Fed and the match is definitely on his racquet when they play.

Gonzo_style · 10-13-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dangalak

Gasquet beat him in his prime as well. What's your point

OP ask about hard courts....

dangalak · 10-13-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo_style

OP ask about hard courts....

sigh

Canas beat him twice back to back.

If you believe that Murray would've beaten Federer in the US Open had they been matched, then

NadalAgassi · 10-13-2012, 10:27 AM

Nadal obviously. While vastly underrated on hard courts on Tennis Nadal hateorade Warehouse he is arguably the weakest hard courter of the three, certainly weaker than Djokovic. Yet despite that has by far the best record vs Federer on outdoor hard courts. Had he not choked a big lead in the 05 Miami final he would have won his 3 hard court matches with peak Federer as a 17-19 year old, something Djokovic a superior hard court player would never come anywhere near doing.

10-13-2012, 06:35 AM	#3
tennis_pro G.O.A.T. Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 11,690	Nadal, still. Murray can only beat Federer in a Masters. Djokovic has to dig deep to beat Federer everywhere (last 2 Us Opens), got bageled the last time they played on a hard court. __________________ "By the Nalbandian logic, I could beat Federer when I'm "in form". Nalbandian is only a threat to linesmen." - pvaudio

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kishnabe G.O.A.T. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 14,274	I would say Murray. Djokovic it is even. Nadal.....Federer has the advantage though allows Nadal to play his game. __________________ Why fight over who is G.O.A.T., when the world is just an abstract of reality~ http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347

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NadalAgassi Legend Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,607	Nadal obviously. While vastly underrated on hard courts on Tennis Nadal hateorade Warehouse he is arguably the weakest hard courter of the three, certainly weaker than Djokovic. Yet despite that has by far the best record vs Federer on outdoor hard courts. Had he not choked a big lead in the 05 Miami final he would have won his 3 hard court matches with peak Federer as a 17-19 year old, something Djokovic a superior hard court player would never come anywhere near doing. __________________ TMF on Jan. 2011- Serena is washed up for good, TMF in Oct. 2009- Nadal has won his final slam, TMF in 2011- Woz will beat Serena at U.S Open

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