On the forehand: Early take back vs. continuous loop

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by HunterST

Okay, so here's pretty definitive proof that Fed holds racquet at chest and then begins the stroke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI5Pa...vwp&NR=1#t=38s

This video, however, shows Serena taking the racquet back and waiting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKIwi54HlY


So, basically, I guess the answer is it doesn't matter?

Obviously Federer has the better forehand, but is Serena's easier to copy for mortals?

Not only Serena, and not only early takeback, I have posted many videos above which show the hands separating early in the turn. There is no distinct stalking phase and whatever is there does not need a new term to describe it. Regarding the early takeback, the deleted thread had so many examples from me that I don't know why this is still being discussed. It depends on the situation.

[sureshs]

Switching gears, I was watching Djokovic-Haas last night. Djokovic had the racquet-pointing-up stance before almost every forehand which is nowadays favored by everyone. It helps with higher bouncing balls as I posted earlier. However, Haas did not have this takeback. His was more to the right and angled, though still slightly upwards. On certain shots when the bounce was lower, I have to admit Djokovic seemed to be doing extra movement going up and down which seemed unnecessary.

Has anyone analyzed the pros and cons of this?

[5263]

Originally Posted by sureshs

When you first corrected my post, I checked your post. You had not corrected it then.

Now you have corrected it.

You understood the mistake only after I pointed it out.

Yep, must be the meds, lol.
I corrected them at virtually the same time. You ARE correct that I didn't see
the typo until you pointed it out. I'm never good at proofing my own writing, and
I even thanked you for noticing, and pointing it out.
Does hands in front of hands make sense to you?
Don't know what more I could have done, besides announcing the correction,
thanking you for pointing it out and underlining the change to make it clear.
You really need to get a grip

[5263]

Originally Posted by bhupaes

Ultimately, it's all about timing, IMO. Federer tracks the ball with the racquet in front of him until the ball bounces (or close to it), and has a very compact backswing which he is able to execute very late (after bounce). Serena has a much larger loop - perhaps because she needs it to generate power, or maybe because it was the way she learned it from childhood - so she has to start the backswing much earlier for the timing to work out okay. Of the two, I would think the Serena type FH would be more error prone than Fed's as far as timing is concerned since it incorporates more variables. Bottom line is, there are many ways to hit the ball...

I think you are very right, and also want to point out that Serena does many
different things and does tend to be a bit streaky with her play. Sometimes
crushing the better players, then other times struggling with avg players. She
does struggle with timing in quite a few matches. Fed is way more consistent imo.

[bad_call]

Originally Posted by sureshs

When you first corrected my post, I checked your post. You had not corrected it then.

Now you have corrected it.

You understood the mistake only after I pointed it out.

completely wrong? another flip flopper? ...hmmm

[sureshs]

Originally Posted by 5263

I think you are very right, and also want to point out that Serena does many
different things and does tend to be a bit streaky with her play. Sometimes
crushing the better players, then other times struggling with avg players. She
does struggle with timing in quite a few matches. Fed is way more consistent imo.

LOL you commenting on Fed and Serena and trying to correlate your wrong and disproved assertions with the ups and downs of players? Don't you understand that there are many factors at work, you don't compare men and women in terms of how fast they swing the racket, and everything in the world doesn't have to be viewed through only one lens? It is really sad to see how you keep coming up with this correlation nonsense and demeaning players a 1000 times above your level.

[5263]

Originally Posted by sureshs

LOL you commenting on Fed and Serena and trying to correlate your wrong and disproved assertions with the ups and downs of players? Don't you understand that there are many factors at work, you don't compare men and women in terms of how fast they swing the racket, and everything in the world doesn't have to be viewed through only one lens? It is really sad to see how you keep coming up with this correlation nonsense and demeaning players a 1000 times above your level.

Must be some typos, cause it makes little sense, lol

[sureshs]

To your intellect, it will make little sense, that is true.

[Ash_Smith]

and...close thread (again) Cheers guys

[5263]

Originally Posted by sureshs

To your intellect, it will make little sense, that is true.

Well said, exactly,
thanks