WB Comments on Ltr to US Tennis Industry-PART I

[Stokke]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Stokke he calls parents dilusional! Then says he has and 8 yr old that can beat the no.1 12 yr old in the nation !!

Stokke HELLO !! he has a 8 yr old that can beat the no.1 12 yr old in the nation ??

Stokke Hello !! who is delusional ? 8 yrs old over no1 12 yr old in Nation ?

are you hearing me Stokke now get out the strait jacket and I will tackle him you put it on him cause earlier he was talking about Haleys coment dropping magic dust on his daughter in the perfect storm !!! ready set lets get him.

Lol.

No thanks - I have no idea if what TCF says about his daughter is true or not. I just saw this as an opportunity to get my son a practise match while we are in Florida.

I have no problems with ignoring his condescending tone while I contemplate his advice - some of which I find useful.

[WoodIndoors]

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[coaching32yrs]

Maybe he has this 8 yr old superstar maybe he doesn't. He did say I believe that she starting playing at 18 months. Very unusual. Never seen anything like that. Most kids don't have the attention span to really play in match setting until 8 or 9. Why is this kid important. Take everything you read here with a grain of salt. TCF is an interesting contributor. Let's leave it at that.

[TCF]

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[jigglypuff]

Originally Posted by WoodIndoors

The way I see it, TFC is right that there probably is lots of international players out there who could win this Abby girl. Some of them same age, some of them younger. I've seen players around 10 who are ways ahead of her, winning european tournaments u 12, and I would be very surprised if they would not win Abby.

If some of those international girls cabable of beating Abby are only 8, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't say it's impossible, I've seen some of the girls mature very early physically.

I hope you know that a lot of these girls (and boys) are not what they seem. Age fabrication has been prevalent in every facet of sports in the past few decades. It's nearly impossible for US born athletes to fudge their birthdates at a level where it matters but relatively easy, and common, in other countries.

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[sureshs]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Vain Bryan's list of US coaches and his hatred for foreign coaches seems to worded like a politician.

His hatred of foreign coaches funded by the USTA is targeted towards just one guy I think: Jose Higueras. He is not the first person to be upset by Jose's top appointment at the USTA and his belief in the Spanish style and clay courts, and the fact that Jose has not taken US citizenship.

Vain should keep in mind that of the coaches he listed, only Annacone was found worthy by Federer of coaching him. Guess who is the other? Higueras.

Vain needs to reminded that the following American pro players have been coached by Higueras: Chang, Martin, Sampras, Ginepri.

Vain needs to contact the above players and ask them why they did not hire the "incredible" American coaches instead, thus providing them employment for that period of time. The answer may not be appreciated by Vain, because he does not know that excellence in tennis does not go by his narrow minded views, as he never accomplished anything at an elite level that the tennis world cares about.

I also love how Vain mentions American coaches of all shapes and sizes to show that though he hates foreign coaches, he is all-inclusive about gender and race and should never be perceived as bigoted. Very clever politician at work here.

Hey Vain, just read in Tennis magazine that Jack Sock has hired former Swedish player Joakim Nystrom as his coach, thus snubbing all the "incredible" American coaches during these tough times.

Please write your usual candid open letter to him and publicize it wildly. We will be waiting to see if you have the guts to do it. Now, if Jack Sock comes back and says you don't have a clue about tennis, don't blame us for it.

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[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by sureshs

Hey Vain, just read in Tennis magazine that Jack Sock has hired former Swedish player Joakim Nystrom as his coach, thus snubbing all the "incredible" American coaches during these tough times.

Please write your usual candid open letter to him and publicize it wildly. We will be waiting to see if you have the guts to do it. Now, if Jack Sock comes back and says you don't have a clue about tennis, don't blame us for it.

Not sure but what Nationality is Alacone or Gilbert between Sampras and Agassi they seem like pretty solid coaches, also this guy Lansthorp I know he has been here in the USA for most of his life and considers himself American I believe and He has had some students with good results yah ?

[jigglypuff]

Originally Posted by Number1Coach

Not sure but what Nationality is Alacone or Gilbert between Sampras and Agassi they seem like pretty solid coaches, also this guy Lansthorp I know he has been here in the USA for most of his life and considers himself American I believe and He has had some students with good results yah ?

Yeah, but who wants to work with an arrogant, stuck up, old man. It is counter productive to say the least.

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by jigglypuff

Yeah, but who wants to work with an arrogant, stuck up, old man. It is counter productive to say the least.

I get you , I have spent some time with him and his attitude differs depending the parent. But he is pretty salty.

[jigglypuff]

Originally Posted by TCF

Maybe in a sport where Olympic medals mean everything, like gymnastics. Yeah, age fixing means money and happens all the time. It starts as toddlers as they pick kids with certain attributes.

There is no advantage in tennis. No one gets paid until the player reaches the top 75. Saying a tennis kid is 10 instead of 12 makes no one a penny. Seeing a 6 year old with tennis talent and conducting a huge effort to make them 4 on documents makes zero sense.

The very most would be maybe a scholarship. But schools will take 22 year olds if it means wins so colleges even could care less about a year or 2 in age. And the sponsors would not make any money if the tennis kid does not become a top pro anyway.

Not talking about gymnastics specifically, but rather age fixing in soccer (Europe and South America), baseball (South America) and to an extent holding kids back 1 to 2 years deliberately for football (US). No one is thinking about the top 75, everyone is thinking about the road to the top and being the top of your age group is going to open up doors regardless of the sport.

And fudging ages is not a huge effort, like you put it, in other countries.

[Tennishacker]

Originally Posted by jigglypuff

Yeah, but who wants to work with an arrogant, stuck up, old man. It is counter productive to say the least.

How do you dismiss one of the greatest coaches so easily?

[Number1Coach]

Originally Posted by jigglypuff

Not talking about gymnastics specifically, but rather age fixing in soccer (Europe and South America), baseball (South America) and to an extent holding kids back 1 to 2 years deliberately for football (US). No one is thinking about the top 75, everyone is thinking about the road to the top and being the top of your age group is going to open up doors regardless of the sport.

And fudging ages is not a huge effort, like you put it, in other countries.

You have to understand who your talking to "TCF" as I pointed out on another thread TCF always seems to fudge the numbers has outtageous facts about a current player when he was 10 yrs old, he has never layed eyes on any of them but they were TOTTALLLY of the charts and to that I laugh .

As a person who has developed a real top Jr . not a made up dillusion they all bleed the same,go potty the same ,smell after workouts, OH yah they eat food also.

The difference is all in understanding "development" which TCF doesnt .

[jigglypuff]

Originally Posted by Tennishacker

How do you dismiss one of the greatest coaches so easily?

I'm not... early on it was always about the student. Now it is all about him.

[Tennishacker]

Originally Posted by jigglypuff

I'm not... early on it was always about the student. Now it is all about him.

Do you know him personally?

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[t135]

Originally Posted by TCF

Folks, lets get some context here. I have no idea why some posters are posting things like "my daughter can beat your daughter".

This entire discussion started between Abby's dad and myself, and others joined in when he was banned. I have seen Abby's videos and saw her play briefly in Boca last summer. So with that information, I said my kid can beat her. Thats all.

I never said my kid can beat your kid or your friends kid, beat every 11 year old on earth. I have never seen your kids videos or seen them live so have no idea about them. I even said I would think some unknown Russian girls are better than mine. Specifically talking about beating one player, Abby.

And even that is not a big deal. So what if she can beat Abby today, does not mean a thing who will be the better player as an adult. Frankly, Abby seems much more obsessed with tennis than my kid so long term I would bet on her going further.

The entire point was that people need to realize that being the "top" USTA 12 does not mean anything except for that player entered the system early and was very aggressive in playing lots of tournaments, and many times placing gathering USTA points over development.

Fair enough. Thanks and best of luck with your daughter.